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post May 6 2005, 08:26 PM
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Ce parere aveti care e cel mai bun motor diesel 100-150cp? ma refer la performante, zgomot,pret,consum
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post May 6 2005, 08:43 PM
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2.0TDI de la VAG
1.6HDI de la PSA


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post May 6 2005, 08:57 PM
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Sau 2.2 de la honda(140CP) sau 1.9M-jet de la Fiat(140/150CP) sau de ce nu 2.0D de la bmw(163CP) biggrin.gif
VAG si PSA sunt copii mici pe langa cei de mai sus :angel:

Nu zic, ca nu sunt de admirat cei 110 cai din 1.6 si cei 140 care vor deveni 170 soon din 2.0TDI insa mai trebuie lucrat bicycle.gif


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post May 6 2005, 09:07 PM
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cel de la honda de 2.2 este cel mai laudat de pe piata biggrin.gif


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post May 6 2005, 09:25 PM
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i-CTDi 2.2- Honda 140 CP
HDi 2.0- Peugeot 136 CP
dCI 2.2-Renault 150CP

dupa aia jTD,D4D,TDi,CRDi etc

cu un mare "+" pt i-CTDi si HDi pt ca sunt motoare diese care nu scot CP din turbina cum face TDi-ul spre exemplu.
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post May 7 2005, 01:02 PM
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nu prea am incredere in JTD( fiat sta prost la fiabilitate) iar D-4D nu are mai mult de 116cp...Ramane TDI SI HDI
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post May 7 2005, 01:42 PM
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Nu s-a intrebat de masini, ci de motoare, iar Fiat sta foarte bine la motoare. Bine, ca pica restul masinii, asta e altceva.

ar la motoare si design, italienii stau foarte bine.
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post May 7 2005, 02:29 PM
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Nici unul din motoarele enumerate de voi mai sus nu indeplineste mai multe din conditiile cerute de Marius decat un 2.0TDI de la VAG pus pe o Skoda. E bun si la pret, si la consum si la performante. Este el un pic mai zgomotos, intr-adevar, dar stim cu totii de ce.. biggrin.gif

Daca stam sa luam in calcul mai multe aspecte, atunci poate se schimba ierarhia,insa luand in calcul numai pe cele enumerate de Marius 2.0TDI mi se pare cel mai bun, urmat la f. mica distanta de 1.6HDI.


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post May 7 2005, 04:03 PM
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1.9 Multijet 150 CP de la fiat, pus pe opel eventual.
iCDTI 2.2 140 CP Honda
1.9/2.2 120/150 CP dCI renault
1.6/2.0L HDi 110/136 CP PSA/Ford
TDI-ul VAG il astept sa isi faca rodajul sa vedem fiabilitatea smile.gif
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post May 7 2005, 04:19 PM
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Cred ca ar fi super misto un 2.0TDI sau 2.0HDI dar puse pe o Toyota..... biggrin.gif
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post May 7 2005, 05:55 PM
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1,9cdti 150cp care este de fapt 1,9 multijet de la fiat
2,0 TDI 140cp -trage bine dar din pacate este foarte zgomotos in continuare
2,2 iCDTI 140cp Honda- performante foarte bune

Cand am condus cele 3 motoare am avut cam aceleasi senzatii:cuplu foarte mare,acceleratii foarte bune.Diferenta este ca TDI-ul este foarte zgomotos pe CDTI-ul si iCDTI-ul aproape ca nu le auzi!


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post May 7 2005, 07:26 PM
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Hai sa vb cifre nu vorbe biggrin.gif
Renault: 1.9dCi de 120CP@4000rpm si 300Nm@2000rpm, Tip injectie directa common rail; 2.2dCi de 150CP@4000rpm si 320Nm@1750rpm, Tip injectie directa common rail

Fiat/Alfa: 1.9 JTD Multijet 16V: capacitate cilindrica 1910 cm³. 16 valve. Patru cilindri in linie, Puterea motorului de 103 kW(140CP) la 4000 rot/min, cuplu de 305 Nm la 2000 rot/min

Honda: 2.2 i-CDTi 140CP@4000rpm, n-am reusit sa aflu cuplul blush.gif

Toyota: 2.0 D4D 115CP@3600rpm, 280Nm@2000-2200, Injectie directa common rail

VAG: 140CP@4000rpm, 320Nm@1750 - 2500rpm, diesel supraalimentat, turbina cu geometrie variabila, in linie, racire cu lichid, injectie directa cu inalta presiune - duza de injectie, DOHC

Opel: Sa ne spuna DragosS ca doar il are beer.gif

PSA: site-ul importatorului nu functioneste :bash:

Concluzie: tot la alfa raman :wave:


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post May 7 2005, 08:21 PM
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Desi e o vorba...,,Fiecare om isi lauda...masina",eu spun ca cel mai bun motor e 2.0 DTI 100 C.P. de la Opel,putin cam galagios dar te obisnuiesti,merge bine,fuge bine si consuma putin,de nu te poti dezobisnui...


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post May 8 2005, 08:27 AM
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QUOTE(mike.omega)
Hai sa vb cifre nu vorbe :

Fiat/Alfa: 1.9 JTD Multijet 16V: capacitate cilindrica 1910 cm³. 16 valve. Patru cilindri in linie, Puterea motorului de 103 kW(140CP) la 4000 rot/min, cuplu de 305 Nm la 2000 rot/min

Honda: 2.2 i-CDTi 140CP@4000rpm, n-am reusit sa aflu cuplul blush.gif
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Fiat mai are o versiune. 1.9 JTD 150 CP, 320Nm la 2000 rpm

Honda 2.2 iCDTI 140CP la 4000 rpm, 340Nm la 2000 rpm

PSA 2.0L 136 CP la 4000 rpm, 320Nm la 2000 rpm

Pe cel de la Toyota nu l-as nominaliza in top. Astept versiunea viitoare, daca va exista.
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post May 9 2005, 04:47 AM
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1,9 multijet 150CP (MJT la Fiat-Alfa si CDTI la Opel) este castigatorul la performanta/putere cilindrica.

2,2iCDTI al Honda este poate castigatorul la consum:

Accord 140CP (7,1l% urban si 4,5% extraurban)
Vectra 150CP (7,6l/4,9l%),
407 136CP ( 7,7l/4,9l%),
Passat B5 1,9TDI 130CP (7,6l/4,8l%)
Passat nou 2,0TDI 140CP (7,9/4,9l%)
Mondeo 130CP (7,7l%/4,7l%).


si apropos, cine stie sa-mi zica din experienta proprie sau a cunoscutilor cat consuma un TDI 1,9-2,0l (Golf, Passat, Octavia) in regim de trafic urban real (gen Bucuresti)?


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post May 9 2005, 06:56 PM
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1.9 - 8.5 app in bucuresti


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post May 9 2005, 07:47 PM
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cam asa ziceam si eu.

am polemizat incins cu TDI-istii pe vwforum.ro care s-au atacat cand am zis ca e improbabil sa scoata medie de sub 8l% cu masinile respective in Bucuresti...


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post May 10 2005, 06:17 AM
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de asta de ce nu ziceti nimic?
bmw 2000 d
Capacitate cilindrica 1995 cmc
Alezaj x cursa 90/84 mm
Putere 163/4000 cp/rpm
Cuplu 340/2000 Nm/rpm
Urban 7.8
Extraurban 4.5
Mixt 5.7

sau asta care a facut furori? de pe mazda 3:
Motor 1.6 CD
Tip Motor R4 DOHC
Putere motor CP/rot/min 110 / 4000
Capacitate cilindrica Cc 1560
Cuplu motor Nm/rot/min 245 / 1750
- urban 6.2
- extra urban 4.3
- mixt 5

sau de ce nu si de pe 6?
Putere motor Cp/rot/min 136/3500
Capacitate cilindrica Cc 1998
Cuplu motor Nm/rot/min 310/2500
- Urban 8.3
- Extra urban 5.5
- Mixt 6.5
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post May 10 2005, 07:29 AM
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Iulian, sunt posesor de 1.9TDI de 2 luni. Am 3500km pana acum si pot sa te asigur ca nu consuma mai mult de 7-7.5l in conditii de trafic extrem de aglomerat, cu mers bara la bara si opriri la fiecare semafor... In conditii normale, consuma intre 5.9 si 6.5 (depinde de "mood-ul" soferului biggrin.gif )


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post May 10 2005, 09:05 AM
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QUOTE(cosmin45741)
de asta de ce nu ziceti nimic?
bmw 2000 d
Capacitate cilindrica 1995 cmc
Alezaj x cursa 90/84 mm
Putere 163/4000 cp/rpm
Cuplu 340/2000 Nm/rpm
Urban 7.8
Extraurban 4.5
Mixt 5.7

sau asta care a facut furori? de pe mazda 3:
Motor 1.6 CD
Tip Motor R4 DOHC
Putere motor CP/rot/min 110 / 4000
Capacitate cilindrica Cc 1560
Cuplu motor Nm/rot/min 245 / 1750
- urban 6.2
- extra urban 4.3
- mixt 5

sau de ce nu si de pe 6?
Putere motor Cp/rot/min 136/3500
Capacitate cilindrica Cc 1998
Cuplu motor Nm/rot/min 310/2500
- Urban 8.3
- Extra urban 5.5
- Mixt 6.5



Interesant, cel de la BMW....

Cele doua de la mazda sunt de origine PSA/Ford si au fost deja nominalizate.
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