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post May 10 2005, 09:12 AM
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la pariu ? :angel:
incearca sa depasesti 2000 rpm , ca turbina aia are nevoie si ea sa se invarta , si o sa consume 8.5


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post May 10 2005, 11:45 AM
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QUOTE(cosmin45741)
sau de ce nu si de pe 6?
Putere motor Cp/rot/min 136/3500
Capacitate cilindrica Cc 1998
Cuplu motor Nm/rot/min 310/2500
- Urban 8.3
- Extra urban 5.5
- Mixt 6.5


Nu pot sa ma abtin sa nu te corectez: cuplul maxim e la 2000, nu 2500, iar consumurile mele de pana acum (am doar vreo 400 km, deci sunt in rodaj) sunt:

urban: 7.4
combinat (30 urban + 150 extraurban): 5.1. Cool, nu?


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post May 10 2005, 01:30 PM
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iti repet si tie atunci , depaseste 2000 rpm ! treptele la un diesel se schimba la 3000 . acolo ii este bine masinii.


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post May 10 2005, 01:46 PM
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Motorul D-4Dde la Toyota are cuplu 280nm/2000-2200.Sa inteleg ca dupa 2200 scade cuplul,puterea???Are cineva motorul asta?
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post May 10 2005, 01:50 PM
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eu m-as astepta sa consume mai mult la turatii sub 2000rpm la care turbina nu intra in functie si admisia de aer e suboptimala. asta e clar adevarat la benzinarele turbo dar la diesel unde injectia se face la sfarsitul compresiei poate e altfel. consumul optim l-as vedea in zona imediat deasupra regimului optim al turbinei.

pt. viata turbinei e bine sa o tii insa la turatii peste 2000rpm. mai ales functionarea in regimul 1-2000rpm e cea mai solicitanta pt. turbina.

oricum pe forumul respectiv jumatate din cei care au pus raspunsuri aveau consumuri peste 8l%. regimul urban este f. variabil atat datorita traficului cat si stilului soferului deci e normal sa ai o plaja larga de consumuri.


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post May 10 2005, 01:55 PM
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QUOTE(Marius43076)
Motorul D-4Dde la Toyota are cuplu 280nm/2000-2200.Sa inteleg ca dupa 2200 scade cuplul,puterea???Are cineva motorul asta?


de regula la turbodiesele cuplul ramane relativ pe un platou pana pe la 4000rpm unde se atinge puterea maxima ( puterea(KW)=turatia (rpm) x cuplu (Nm) x factor de conversie care tine de transformarea rpm in radiani pe sec). cuplul scade f. putin dupa 2200rpm in cazul tau dar puterea creste rapid cu cresterea turatiei.


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post May 10 2005, 03:27 PM
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QUOTE(G e o r g e)
iti repet si tie atunci , depaseste 2000 rpm ! treptele la un diesel se schimba la 3000 . acolo ii este bine masinii.


Sunt inca in rodaj cu ea. Nu trec de 2,500 pana la 1,000 km. La drive-test am dus-o la 4,000 si era superrr. Curba de cuplu la motorul asta nu prea e mediatizata, dar exista in cartea tehnica si arata cam asa: 310 la 2000, dupa care scade la vreo 300 nm pana la 3,500, dupa care scade vertiginos, deci nu se mai merita sa turezi mai mult.

Parerea mea: un diesel trebe condus mai batraneste, altfel se duce si compresie si pompa si turbina, si nu in cele din urma, consum.


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QUOTE(Marius43076)
Motorul D-4Dde la Toyota are cuplu 280nm/2000-2200.Sa inteleg ca dupa 2200 scade cuplul,puterea???Are cineva motorul asta?


Cuplul scade destul de tare. Ca si evolutie de cuplu, pot sa compar motorul asta cu cel de 1.9 dci de la Renault (si acolo, cuplul nu se mentine constant prea mult, ci scade odata cu turatiile).
Puterea o sa creasca odata cu turatiile pana pe la 3,600, dupa care incepe sa scada si ea. In concluzie, ideal ar fi sa tii acest motor intre 2000 si 3,600.


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QUOTE(Iulian HondaFan)
pt. viata turbinei e bine sa o tii insa la turatii peste 2000rpm. mai ales functionarea in regimul 1-2000rpm e cea mai solicitanta pt. turbina.


De ce zici asta? Credeam ca sub 2000 turbina nici nu intra in functiune, deci de ce ar fi solicitant?.. Credeam ca sub 2000 e cu aspiratie normala (.)


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post May 10 2005, 04:37 PM
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QUOTE(CRG)
Puterea o sa creasca odata cu turatiile pana pe la 3,600, dupa care incepe sa scada si ea.


Atunci sunt cam tampiti aia care scriu specificatiile, in care scrie ca puterea MAXIMA e la 4000 rpm....
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post May 10 2005, 07:03 PM
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[quote="MR28673

Interesant, cel de la BMW....

Cele doua de la mazda sunt de origine PSA/Ford si au fost deja nominalizate.[/quote]

din cate stiu eu motoarele mazda nu sunt de origine ford!!! sunt de origine mazda blush.gif
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QUOTE(CRG)
QUOTE(cosmin45741)
sau de ce nu si de pe 6?
Putere motor Cp/rot/min 136/3500
Capacitate cilindrica Cc 1998
Cuplu motor Nm/rot/min 310/2500
- Urban 8.3
- Extra urban 5.5
- Mixt 6.5


Nu pot sa ma abtin sa nu te corectez: cuplul maxim e la 2000, nu 2500, iar consumurile mele de pana acum (am doar vreo 400 km, deci sunt in rodaj) sunt:

urban: 7.4
combinat (30 urban + 150 extraurban): 5.1. Cool, nu?


draga crg, informatiile sunt de pe site-ul mazda...
consumul meu mixt e de 6,4, in general si nu merg cu ea la 2000 de ture.
iar cel extraurban se apropie de 8 blush.gif - la 180
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post May 10 2005, 07:55 PM
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QUOTE(cosmin45741)
din cate stiu eu motoarele mazda nu sunt de origine ford!!! sunt de origine mazda blush.gif


Mazda nu are diesele proprii. dieselele sale vin de la Ford care le obtine din aceeasi sursa ca si PSA (Ford si PSA au un joint-venture pentru dezvoltarea si productia de motoare diesel, de aceea HDI=aprox. TDCI, diferentele sunt minime si tin mai mult de tunare diferita decat de componente diferite).

Mazda are ceva motoare pe benzina notabil 2,0 si 2,3, din cate stiu si 1,6 e de la Ford si stiu sigur ca V6-le de 3,0l e de provenienta Ford.


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2.3 benzina e de la ford si a venit o data cu mazda 6 . doar asa poti sa comanzi mazda 6 galbena .


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QUOTE(CRG)
De ce zici asta? Credeam ca sub 2000 turbina nici nu intra in functiune, deci de ce ar fi solicitant?.. Credeam ca sub 2000 e cu aspiratie normala (.)


turbina intra in functie tot timpul dar e nevoie de un anumit flux al gazelor de ardere pt. a o aduce la parametrii optimi ( de regula peste 1800-2000rpm unde presiunea suplimentara de admisie generata de turbina atinge parametrii proiectati pt. cilindrii respectivi). intervalul de turatii intre care activitatea turbinei e neglijabila (sub 1000) si cel de la care turbina functioneaza optim (1800-2000rpm) este cel la care are loc asa-numitul fenomen de "surge" si unde stressul mecanic e cel mai mare. de aceea nu vrei sa stai cu motorul in intervalul acela decat tranzitor ( pornire) ca sa nu ii scazi durata de functionare. si cand schimbi vitezele trebuie sa te duci la 3000rpm si peste astfel incat in treapta superioara sa intri la o turatie de peste 1800-2000rpm.

chestia asta e valabila la toate motoarele turbo fie ele benzinare sau diesel ( ca turbinele sunt practic similare).


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post May 10 2005, 08:08 PM
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QUOTE(G e o r g e)
2.3 benzina e de la ford si a venit o data cu mazda 6 . doar asa poti sa comanzi mazda 6 galbena .


NU, NU ala e motor Mazda... Ford il au si ei pe Focus in America si pe Mondeo in Europa dar il iau de la Mazda.

la fel cel de 2,0l... am citit asta pe mai multe site-uri. Ford a avut si un 2,0 propriu dar ultimele Focus aici vin cu cel de la Mazda (folosit si pe Mazda3).


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post May 10 2005, 08:10 PM
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cosmin tu ai tot Mazda6 pe motorina?


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pe cuvant ca atunci cand s-a lansat M6 in romania eram la dealer biggrin.gif

si eram tentat de culoarea galbena si ni s-a atras atentia ca e disponibila doar cu motorul de 2.3 si ala e motor ford blink.gif


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dupa ConsumerReports:

The Focus has an accomplished ride and good braking. It is agile, fun-to-drive, and handles like a sports car. The seating position is high and commanding, controls are clear and logical, and cabin access is easy. The ride is firm, yet supple. Two new, more-refined engines, a 2.0-liter and a 2.3-liter from Mazda, improve acceleration, but fuel economy is not as impressive. Interior quality is still on the cheap side. The roomy wagon is a practical choice. Reliability has remained average. Overall crash protection is good. However, the Focus received a Poor in the IIHS side-crash test when tested without its optional side air bags.

si MotorTrend:

As entry-level sedans go, few can touch Ford's Focus on the fun-to-drive front, and for 2005, the fun dials are being twisted even further. Both 2.0-liter engines from last year (the 110-horsepower two-valver and the 130-horse DOHC Zetec) are replaced by a de-bored 136-horse, 2.0-liter version of the all-aluminum Mazda-designed 2.3-liter that critics have been raving about.

mii de scuze pt. off-topic...


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post May 11 2005, 08:13 AM
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QUOTE(Iulian HondaFan)
cosmin tu ai tot Mazda6 pe motorina?


da tot diesel de 136 de cai, luata in leasing bineinteles si pe de-o parte imi pare rau-is subiectiv pt ca nu-mi prea place diesel-ul in general- pt ca m-am zgarcit si am zis sa-mi iau o masina economicoasa.
dar la cat merg eu (25000 pe an) si la preturile actuale ale motorinei, imi pare rau ca nu mi-am luat un benzinar.
nu se mai merita diesel-ul, parerea mea....e si mai greu de intretinut....
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