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May 10 2009, 07:40 PM
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specialist Group: Membri Posts: 2.198 Joined: 11-July 08 From: Location Unknown Member No.: 117.474 |
Eu sustineam ca desi au totusi elemente de siguranta pasiva, masinile mici nu sunt chiar atat de sigure intrucat masa joaca un rol extrem de important intr-un accident. In contradictoriu, el sustinea ca vremurile cand "mare inseamna sigur" s-au dus si ca in ziua de astazi o masina oricat de sifonata ar iesi dintr-un asemenea accident, ocupantii sunt protejati. Este adevarat, masinile de astazi au o siguranta pasive net superioara celor din trecut si sunt construite avand la baza tehnologii menite sa inlature pe cat posibil pericolul: motorul este in asa fel amplasat incat sa fie impins sub habitaclu, nervuri bine gandite menite sa absoarba pe cat posibil orice forma de impact, design special facut sa aibe o deformare controlata si sa directioneze materialul in exterior, structura "cusca", elemente de protectie laterala incluse in usi, etc. Cu toate acestea, in conformitate cu legile fizicii, consider ca masa are si va avea in permanenta un cuvant de spus. Astazi, am gasit pe yahoo un articol interesant care sustine aceeasi teorie pe care si eu la randul meu o imbratisez. Imi cer scuze celor care nu stiu engleza. ___________________________________________________________ Small cars won't keep you safe Forbes.com - Hannah Elliott While environmentalists push laws requiring automakers to sell smaller, lighter cars in order to meet higher fuel-economy standards, safety advocates worry that meeting those demands will result in cars that are less safe in a crash. They might be right. A report released today by the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety (IIHS) praises President Obama's plan to boost fuel economy standards for cars by using a size-based system that removes incentives for automakers to manufacture only tiny cars. The report also says mid-size and large sedans must have a place on the nation's highways because--even with airbags, electronic stability control and strong front-crash ratings--small cars are much more dangerous in head-on crashes than larger vehicles. 'A really, really poorly designed or insufficiently designed large- or medium-sized car may be more or less protective than the best-designed small car, but that's something that you're not going to be able to tell just by looking at crash-test ratings,' says David Zuby, senior vice president of vehicle research for IIHS. 'So all things being equal, if you're concerned about safety, you want a bigger, heavier car.' The statistics support Zuby's claim. Death rates in minicars involved in multi-car crashes are nearly twice as high as those in large sedans, according to IIHS data. In single-car crashes, 11 people per million were killed in large sedans in 2007, compared with 35 per million killed in small cars. In mid-size cars, the death rate for single-vehicle crashes is 17 per cent less than for minicars. The new report is especially noteworthy because normally the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) crash tests are performed using a stationary wall and a single car--not two cars being crashed into each other. The Laws of Physics The Arlington, Va.-based IIHS rated front-to-front crash tests between microcars and mid-size sedans. The Institute chose 2009 models of the Honda Fit and Accord, the Smart Fortwo and Mercedes C-Class, and the Toyota Camry and Yaris. It did not survey SUVs or large sedans in order to show how much influence even small increases in size and weight have on crashes, the report said. Vehicles from Daimler, Honda and Toyota earned study slots because they have small models with 'good' ratings--the highest that the IIHS awards--in a 40-mile-per-hour frontal (stationary barrier) crash. But the Fit, Fortwo and Yaris performed poorly in frontal collisions with midsize cars, according to the new report. Size is important because mass, coupled with acceleration, determines the force of a crash. Injuries depend on the forces that act on the occupants in the car, not on how much external damage the car sustains. The force of a crash turns on two key attributes: the weight of the crashing vehicle, which determines how much speed must be absorbed during the impact, and the size of the vehicle, which often determines how close the front of the vehicle is to the driver--an essential indicator of the extent of injuries to the legs and torso. 'When we run our crash tests, we see that the vehicles that crush up more when we crash them are ones in which the forces on the dummies inside ... are much higher,' Zuby says. In other words, the occupants of the smaller car are at greater risk of injury. In the crash test between the C-Class and Fortwo, for example, the Smart bounced off the C-Class and turned 450 degrees before landing and displacing the instrument panel and steering wheel through the cockpit. The C-Class had almost no intrusion of the front gears into the passenger area. Granted, the IIHS tests are much more severe than government safety standards mandate, as small-car proponents often note. The Smart Fortwo meets all U.S. government crash-test standards, including a five-star side-crash rating, notes Dave Schembri, the president of Smart USA. It also earned the highest scores for front- and side-crash worthiness from the IIHS itself. 'People drive small cars for many reasons, not just fuel economy as the IIHS states,' Schembri said in a written response to the report. 'People choose small vehicles because they are generally more environmentally friendly, a great value, they provide for greater driving and parking options in congested urban areas, and many consumers tell us they are simply more fun to drive.' The IIHS report also notes that advanced crash-avoidance and crash-protection safety systems, like the electronic stability program and a reinforced steel safety cage found in the Smart, do help mitigate crash results. Honda's Fit fared slightly better in its crash with the Accord (the Fit is the safest minicar sold in the U.S., according to IIHS safety ratings), but the dummy's head struck the steering wheel through the airbag, and Institute testers recorded a 'high risk of leg injury in a real-world crash of similar severity.' A written statement from Honda in response to this report said Honda has specifically addressed frontal crash compatibility between vehicles of different size and ride heights. It has done so by developing a body structure placed in all 2009 vehicles that helps absorb the energy of a frontal crash by channeling energy through both the upper and lower structural elements. The statement also pointed out that the IIHS tests are under 'unusual and extreme conditions' conducted 'at higher speeds than most real-world vehicle-to-vehicle crashes.' The Yaris, in its crash with the Camry, lost a door and, despite the airbag, also forced the dummy's head against the steering wheel. Excessive head and neck injuries, plus deep gashes on the right knee of the dummy, were also reported. Brian Lyons, the safety and quality communications manager for Toyota, says the real question for a 'comprehensive safety assessment' is how well the vehicle's safety systems perform in real-world accidents. According to NHTSA data, he says, less than 0.06 per cent of all frontal crashes occur at the crash severity selected by the IIHS. 'The IIHS test is equivalent to an 80-mph closing speed (with opposing vehicles traveling at 40 mph), a speed and energy higher than 99.1 per cent of all real-world crashes,' Lyons said in a written response to this report. 'According to NHTSA, vehicle safety in all car classes continues to improve, in part due to the active and passive safety features developed by the automotive industry.' A Happy Medium Minicars have many admirable qualities: they're affordable, they use small amounts of gas, they emit less carbon and they're easy to park. But if you're concerned about safety, there are other ways to save gas than buy a Smart Fortwo, says Christie Hyde, a spokeswoman for AAA. Hybrid technology and turbochargers, which enable smaller engines to produce more power, can help larger cars run just as efficiently as smaller ones, she says. 'There are definitely a lot more options' than buying a Smart, Hyde says. The $14,500 coupe gets 14.03 km per litre in the city and 17.43 km per litre on the highway. The $17,130 Hyundai Elantra (10.20 km per litre city/14.03 km per litre highway) and $16,130 Suzuki SX4 (29.35 km per litre city/12.33 km per litre), not to mention the $35,385 Acura TSX (8.93 km per litre city/12.75 lm per litre highway) and $31,822 Chevrolet Malibu hybrid (11.05 km per litre city/14.45 km per litre highway), all offer generous gas mileage coupled with a four-door sedan body. Choices do abound, and no one car is right for everyone, Zuby concedes. But there are enough, he says, that deliver on fuel-efficiency as well as safety. SURSA: yahoo.ca http://ca.autos.yahoo.com/p/1368/small-car...t-keep-you-safe This post has been edited by Rebel: May 10 2009, 07:41 PM -------------------- ///M - The Ultimate Driving Machine
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May 15 2009, 01:40 PM
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PGM-FI Group: Membri Posts: 2.877 Joined: 2-March 07 From: Bucuresti/Ploiesti (Prahova) Member No.: 100.675 |
la coliziunile mic vs mare zic eu ca totusi conteaza foarte mult si inaltimea masinilor, poate mai mult decat masa lor
Luam ca exemplu o compacta, oricare ar fi ea(golf, focus, civic, octavia etc), masini de 1200-1400 kg, deci nu foarte usoare, dar nici foarte grele. In cazul unei coliziuni cu un Q7(masina de ~2 tone), monstrul ma va lovi deasupra structurii de rezistenta, ma va face piftie, iar eu il voi lovi pe el sub sona de rezistenta, cauzandu-i probabil avarii minore raportate la cele de la masina mea. O coliziune asemanatoare, impotriva unui A8 de data asta, care tot spre 2 tone bate, dar are stuctura de rezistenta la nivel cu al masinii mele...foarte probabil accidentul va fi mult mai "echitabil", ambele masini avand destul de mult de suferit. Probabil pasagerii din A8 vor fi protejati superior datorita zonei mai mare de deformare, insa in niciun caz nu vor scapa la fel de bine ca cei din Q7. Pe considerentul asta, in momentul in care alegi un mastodont de genul asta, mergi pe principiul "decat sa planga mama, mai bine sa planga ma-sa" Am inteles ca se propusese la un moment dat intre constructorii de masini mutarea structurii de rezistenta a suv-urilor mai jos, pentru a oferi o sansa si celor din masinile mici. S-a concretizat ceva in sensul asta? Pe de alta parte, ma consider un sofer destul de bun (sau ma rog, viitor sofer ) astfel incat sa aleg o masina cu siguranta activa mai buna, poate in detrimentul celei pasive, adica intotdeauna voi prefera o masina mai joasa, cu suspensii mai tari, frane mai bune si motor mai puternic, in ideea ca ma pot baza pe instincte si pot evita un procent mai mare de accidente. -------------------- Honda Accord 2.0 MT Executive Arctic Blue Pearl
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May 15 2009, 03:18 PM
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specialist Group: Membri de onoare Posts: 3.446 Joined: 28-September 05 From: Bucuresti Member No.: 56.992 |
Pe de alta parte, ma consider un sofer destul de bun (sau ma rog, viitor sofer ) astfel incat sa aleg o masina cu siguranta activa mai buna, poate in detrimentul celei pasive, adica intotdeauna voi prefera o masina mai joasa, cu suspensii mai tari, frane mai bune si motor mai puternic, in ideea ca ma pot baza pe instincte si pot evita un procent mai mare de accidente. pai daca n-ai carnet, de unde stii cum se conduce o masina sau alta astfel incit sa poti spune ca vei aelge exact tipul ala de masina? masina joasa, motor puternic, suspensii tari, "instintele mele sint cele mai bune si reflexul meu nici schumacher nu-l are" = moarte sigura pentru un sofer neexperimentat (cu noroc chior scapi doar cu dauna totala la masina). am avut suficiente exemple in jur incit sa pot afirma asta. inclusiv masini pe care am mers si eu si pe care altii le-au dat de gard. -------------------- 2 * "Garsoniera" - HJ61 TD (4000cmc) si "Sugativa"- FJ62V (4000cmc) carburatie
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