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Sep 1 2005, 07:46 PM
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Subaru Anti-Hero Group: Moderator Posts: 5.323 Joined: 13-May 04 From: F 1 World Member No.: 25.368 |
How automakers compare This graph shows the average problem rates, by manufacturer, for newly designed 2000 through 2002 models for which we have data. Some automakers have fewer problems with newly designed models--and lower problem rates overall--than others. Manufacturers are ranked from fewest to most problems per 100 vehicles for the first model year. -------------------- Schumi drive it like you stole it !
2005 Subaru Legacy GT ; 2009 Subaru Forester XP ; 2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee |
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Sep 1 2005, 07:55 PM
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specialist Group: Membri Posts: 4.583 Joined: 30-May 04 From: Honda World Member No.: 26.577 |
concluzii:
1) producatorul care o nimereste cel mai bine din prima este Honda. 2) daca vreti model nou singurele pe care va puteti baza sunt masinile Honda. Qvot erat demonstrandum. -------------------- Civic Si 2007 2.0l DOHC iVTEC
Acura TL 2006 3.2l SOHC VTEC |
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Sep 1 2005, 08:08 PM
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Subaru Anti-Hero Group: Moderator Posts: 5.323 Joined: 13-May 04 From: F 1 World Member No.: 25.368 |
Stai ma ca nici Subaru nu se face chiar de bafta...cind il compari cu ruda BEMVE ! Unde-i smekeru" ala de Toronto sa vada graficul ?
-------------------- Schumi drive it like you stole it !
2005 Subaru Legacy GT ; 2009 Subaru Forester XP ; 2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee |
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Sep 2 2005, 11:25 AM
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CFO Group: Membri Posts: 2.695 Joined: 10-September 04 From: Bucuresti Member No.: 32.254 |
Ce e cu Audi, Mini si Kia? In anul 3 nu mai au probleme deloc? Revenind la discutia cu 'employee discounts' si cu 'dealer vs producator', daca media este in jur de 1000 (sa zicem) tot e mai rentabil decat orice producator, pentru ca dealerul are mult mai putine batai de cap decat producatorul Si Opel nu are employee discounts in UE (RO). Si nici Daewoo / Chevrolet nu cred sa aiba, am fi auzit -------------------- Avensis 2.2D4D, PatrolGR RD28TI, cu cutie manuala.
In cautare de masina spectaculoasa, veche si de toata ziua |
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Sep 2 2005, 01:46 PM
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specialist Group: Membri Posts: 4.583 Joined: 30-May 04 From: Honda World Member No.: 26.577 |
-------------------- Civic Si 2007 2.0l DOHC iVTEC
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Sep 2 2005, 05:41 PM
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specialist Group: Moderator Posts: 13.667 Joined: 30-June 04 From: Europa Member No.: 28.666 |
Io bag mana in foc ca dealerul are peste 15-20% profit, adica mai mult decat recormanul in materie de producator Nissan. Daca pretul poate scadea cu 10-15% doar prin vanzarea masinii de catre lanturile de supermarketuri si nu doar prin dealerii specializati, atunci sigur marja dealerului este de peste 15-20%, intrucat nici supermarketurile nu fac probabil munca voluntara.... Nu e o teorie riguroasa, recunosc, ci doar o parere personala.
-------------------- Scuter 108cc... benzina, automat
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Sep 4 2005, 08:59 PM
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specialist Group: Membri Posts: 3.566 Joined: 17-October 03 From: Bucuresti Member No.: 17.205 |
De remarcat ca primii 5 producatori sunt japonezi, urmatorul coreean, media, apoi restul...
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Sep 4 2005, 09:34 PM
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pilot Group: Membri Posts: 261 Joined: 6-February 05 From: Bucuresti Member No.: 39.926 |
n-am nimik cu japonezii dar voi credeti in tabele din astea?, generatia de consum...., respectati standardurile?.. sa fiti sanatosi, nu m-as mira sa fie unul comandat sau facut obiectiv, de vazut ca nu se specifica la ce modele anume si nici ce probleme, e facut asa cum se face, tipic american.
O sa caut si eu unul in care galbejitii sunt in coada listei. -------------------- Masinile germane fac regulile....
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Sep 4 2005, 11:10 PM
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specialist Group: Membri Posts: 3.566 Joined: 17-October 03 From: Bucuresti Member No.: 17.205 |
Alt "Vasile"?
Tu ai citit si textul? -------------------- mazda 3 2.0 GTA Titanium grey
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Sep 5 2005, 01:08 AM
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specialist Group: Membri Posts: 4.583 Joined: 30-May 04 From: Honda World Member No.: 26.577 |
geo, subscriu sugestiei Madalinei de a te documenta inainte de a face afirmatii de genul celor de mai sus. oricum postul tau isi are locul aici:
http://www.masini.ro/forum/viewtopic.php?t...dii+fiabilitate nu am nimic de adaugat la cele spuse acolo. madalina, se poate sa mutam ultimul calup de posturi in topicul de fiabilitatea marcilor. aici e vorba de producatori auto. 10x! -------------------- Civic Si 2007 2.0l DOHC iVTEC
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Sep 5 2005, 06:37 AM
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pilot Group: Membri Posts: 261 Joined: 6-February 05 From: Bucuresti Member No.: 39.926 |
Mersi madalina si iulian, am citit textul asta nu inseamna ca trebuie sa fiu si de 'accord' cu el
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Sep 7 2005, 01:36 PM
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specialist Group: Moderator Posts: 13.667 Joined: 30-June 04 From: Europa Member No.: 28.666 |
De unde faceti rost de date pentru piata europeana? Cu google apar numai siteuri americane.... europenii fac studii serioase de fiabilitate, sau le e jena?
In plus, unele din date sunt oarecum bizare. De exemplu, conform msn http://autos.msn.com/home/reliability_ratings.aspx toyota corolla sau subaru impreza sunt mai pacalite decat hynday lantra sau daewoo nubira de exemplu... -------------------- Scuter 108cc... benzina, automat
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Sep 7 2005, 10:49 PM
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specialist Group: Membri Posts: 4.583 Joined: 30-May 04 From: Honda World Member No.: 26.577 |
era prea evident ca sa le vad...
datele sunt interesante si clar din alta perspectiva ( cea a celor care fac reparatiile). cred ca modul lor de atrange datele pune accentul mai ales pe problemele serioase ( cele pt. care diverse ateliere ar cere ajutor specializat). pe de alta parte e posibil sa subestimeze frecventa ( daca sunt multe masini cu acelasi defecte care vin la acelasi atelier mecanicii nu vor mai cere ajutor odata ce au reparat problema respectiva de cateva ori cu ajutorul IDENTIFIX)... la compacte si medii dupa datele lor mi se pare ca problemele sunt putine oricum si relativ minore la toate. sunt si diferente de ordine fata de CR si JDPower. oricum se merita verificat site-ul si pt. modelele comune cu cele europene mai ales la motorizari similare ( ex. 1.8T, 2.0 8V al VAG, 1.9TDI, etc....). -------------------- Civic Si 2007 2.0l DOHC iVTEC
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Sep 8 2005, 04:35 AM
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Subaru Anti-Hero Group: Moderator Posts: 5.323 Joined: 13-May 04 From: F 1 World Member No.: 25.368 |
Nu imi aduc aminte sa fii pornit acest thread...dar ma rog ! :angel:
http://money.cnn.com/2004/11/08/pf/autos/c...to_reliability/ QUOTE Small cars
These models earned ratings Most and Least reliable in Consumer Reports' 2004 reliability survey. Most reliable Least reliable Toyota Corolla Volkswagen Golf (turbo) Scion xB Volkswagen Jetta (turbo) Honda Civic Volkswagen New Beetle Mazda3 Subaru Impreza Toyota Echo Mitsubishi Lancer (except Evo) Sedans These models earned ratings Most and Least reliable in Consumer Reports' 2004 reliability survey. Most reliable Least reliable Lexus IS300 Mercedes-Benz S-Class Acura RL (previous version) Jaguar S-Type Toyota Camry (4-cyl.) BMW 7 Series Toyota Avalon Jaguar X-Type Lexus LS430 Mercedes-Benz E-Class Lexus GS300/GS430 (previous versions) Mercedes-Benz C-Class (V6) Buick Regal (discontinued) Volvo S60 (AWD) Pontiac Grand Prix Saab 9-3 Hyundai Sonata Pontiac Grand Prix (supercharged) Infiniti G35 (AWD) Volkswagen Passat (AWD) BMW 5 Series -------------------- Schumi drive it like you stole it !
2005 Subaru Legacy GT ; 2009 Subaru Forester XP ; 2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee |
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Sep 8 2005, 11:12 AM
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workaholic * * * * * * Group: Moderator Posts: 11.052 Joined: 4-August 03 From: Bucuresti Member No.: 14.854 |
subaru power
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Sep 8 2005, 06:23 PM
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specialist Group: Moderator Posts: 10.684 Joined: 29-March 04 From: Oradea (Bihor) Member No.: 23.122 |
QUOTE(G e o r g e) subaru power
sa fiu carcotas si sa spun ca nu e tocmai o onoare sa fii pe locul 5 cu impreza in spatele mazdei3 iar legacy-ul nici nu apare... (desi e ciudat cum toate sedanurile incepand cu clasa medie (passat) pana la clasa de lux (S-class) sunt bagate in acelasi clasament) -------------------- Mercedes C320 CDI 4-matic
Audi A3 Sportback 1.9 TDI "Speed has never killed anyone. Suddenly becoming stationary... that's what gets you." -Jeremy Clarkson |
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Sep 8 2005, 07:53 PM
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workaholic * * * * * * Group: Moderator Posts: 11.052 Joined: 4-August 03 From: Bucuresti Member No.: 14.854 |
sub subaru se afla , bmw, audi(no offece sa o stapaniti sanatosi si fara probleme ) , vw ... toate valorile
nu ma deranjeaza ca sa zic altceva : 1. subaru e singur cu AWD pe berlina medie japoneza cu pret accesibil la noi 2. QUOTE(http://money.cnn.com/2004/11/08/pf/autos/cr_auto_reliability/) The all-wheel drive Volkswagen Passat received the lowest reliability rating of any vehicle in the survey.
deci dupa cum zic si oamenii aia (sunt rai oamenii aia, iau bani cu siguranta pentru articolele lor ... neah glumeam doar sa se simta si simpatizantii VW mai bine ) passat e cam fass subaru power in clasa berlinelor medii si mari de acolo avem 3 lexus, 2 toyota si 1 infinity ! deja prea mult -------------------- |
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Sep 8 2005, 10:49 PM
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specialist Group: Membri Posts: 4.583 Joined: 30-May 04 From: Honda World Member No.: 26.577 |
CNN-Money au cam dat-o in bara. lista lor e diferita de ce e pe site-ul CR ( eu am abonament)...
rezultatele le-am pus si pe topicul "fiabilitatea marcilor (1)": http://www.masini.ro/forum/viewtopic.php?t...sc&start=20 am updatat acel post cu noile schimbari de pe site de atunci incoace. numarul din paranteze reprezinta procentaj peste sau sub media de fiabilitate a masinilor din studiu. masini mici (incluzand subcompactele care sunt numai un 0.5% din piata americana): 1) Toyota Echo ( echivalentul american al Yaris-ului, oferita numai ca sedan sau coupe) si Scion xB care are aceeasi platforma si tren motor (+70) 2) Toyota Corolla (+65) 3) Honda Civic (+60) 4) Mazda3 (+50) 5) Mitsubishi Lancer (non turbo) (+45) 5) Impreza 2.5l (non-turbo) (+35) W) Nissan Sentra= sora americana a Almerei ( -25) X) Saturn Ion ( varul american al noii Astra) (-30) Y) VW Golf/Jetta=Bora (-30) Z) VW New Beetle (-35) VW ramane la coada dar fiabilitatea s-a imbunatatit considerabil pt. 2004 fata de anii precedenti cand era cu peste 100% sub medie. masini de familie: 1)Toyota Prius (+70) 2)Toyota Camry ( +50) 3) Pontiac Grand Prix V6 de 3.8l normal aspirat (+50) ( nu exista un echivalent in Europa, masina este pe platforma theta a GM folosita numai pt. masini mari in America si Australia) 4) Nissan Maxima ( +38) 5) Legacy/Outback (+ 34) 6) Accord ( varianta mai mare americana) (+30%) X) Dodge Stratus/Chrysler Sebring (-35) Y) VW Passat 4 motion (-50) Z) Pontiac Grand Prix 3.8l V6 supercharged (-55) ( asta e un supercharger tare prost se vede treaba) masini de lux entry level 1) Lexus IS300 (+90) - RWD, competitia lui serie3 2) Acura TSX ( =Honda Accord europeana de lux) (+40) 3) Infiniti G35 ( +35) 4) Lexus ES330 (+30)- echivalentul de lux al Camry, FWD V6, 3.3l de 225CP 5) Saab 9-5 (+27) X) Volvo S60 AWD (-55) Y) Saab 9-3 ( -85) Z) Jaguar X type ( -90) masini de lux 1) Lexus LS430 (+70) - si singura cu fiabilitate cu peste 20% fata de media masinilor din studiu X)Jaguar S-type (-107%) Y) BMW serie 7 (-108%) Z) Mercedes S klasse ( -124%) masini sport 1) Toyota Celica ( +55%) 2) Acura RSX (+50) = varianta coupe de lux a Hondei Civic type R din Europa) 3) Mazda MX-5 Miata (+35) 4) Subaru Impreza WRX (+30) X) Mini Cooper (-30) Y) BMW Z4 (-50) Z) Hyundai Tiburon=Coupe (-92) SUV-uri mici 1) Toyota RAV4 (+60) 2) Honda Element ( un CR_V patratos) (+55) 3) Honda CR-V ( +50) 4) Subaru Forester (+48) X) Pontiac Aztek (-30) Y) Saturn Vue (-50) Z) Land Rover Freelander (-177% ) SUV-uri mijlocii 1) Mitsubishi Endeavor (+78) 2) Toyota Highlander (+ 75) 3) Honda Pilot/Acura MDX (+40) X) Porsche Cayenne ( -70) Y) Volvo XC90 ( -120) Z) VW Touareg (-136) SUV-uri mari 1) Toyota Land Cruiser/Lexus LX470 (+63%) 2) Toyota Sequoia (+25) 3) Dodge Durango ( +15) X) Ford Expedition (-85%) Y) Nissan Pathfinder Armada (-111) Z) Lincoln Navigator (-181% = cea mai proasta fiabilitate in acest studiu, keep out people; e varianta de lux a Expedition) Minivanuri 1) Toyota Sienna (+30) Z) Nisan Quest (-115%, cea mai catastrofala masina japoneza in acest studiu, modelul e un esec total si la vanzari). iata detaliile studiului care este unul dintre cele mai mari ( daca nu chiar cel mai mare din lume) la ora asta. Reliability is an important concern for the new-car buyer, but a difficult quality to discern. CR's annual reliability surveys can help. Our latest survey, conducted in the spring of 2004, yielded information on 810,000 vehicles spanning the 1997 to 2004 model years. By looking at these data for past model years, we can predict how current models are likely to hold up. To create the scores shown here, we average the overall reliability scores for the last three years, where available, provided the vehicle didn't change significantly in that time and hasn't for 2004. We've found that three years' data is a better predictor than is the single most recent model year. Each car's overall score is calculated for its 2002, 2003, and 2004 versions. It's also weighted to emphasize more serious problem areas, including the engine, transmission, cooling system, and drive system. This overall score is then compared with the average for all the 2002, 2003, and 2004 cars in the survey. The charts reflect how the car compared with that all-car average. -------------------- Civic Si 2007 2.0l DOHC iVTEC
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Sep 8 2005, 11:17 PM
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workaholic * * * * * * Group: Moderator Posts: 11.052 Joined: 4-August 03 From: Bucuresti Member No.: 14.854 |
5) Impreza
5) Legacy 4) Subaru Impreza 4) Subaru Forester mda ... gama e acoperita me happy ... the end -------------------- |
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Sep 8 2005, 11:52 PM
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specialist Group: Membri Posts: 4.583 Joined: 30-May 04 From: Honda World Member No.: 26.577 |
da, si toate au scoruri mult peste medie ( >30% fata de media masinilor vandute in america intre 2001 si 2004)...
Subaru este si marca cu cea mai buna fiabilitate in acelasi studiu pentru masini de pana la 1 an vechime... urmata de Honda. pentru masini pana la 3 ani ordinea e Toyota-Lexus-Scion, Subaru si Honda-Acura. -------------------- Civic Si 2007 2.0l DOHC iVTEC
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