Calitatea masinilor: germane vs japoneze

Pai nu i-au jefuit. Asta cu cuceritor = rau, cucerit = bun e filozfie romaneasca. Intreaba orice indian moderat si cu ceva in cap, India e unde e (desi inca nu foarte sus) din cauza imperiului britanic. Care impreiu cu toate dezavantajele care nu le neaga nimeni a fost foarte bun la impartit beneficii cu cuceritii.
Deci cumva e un fel de mindrie pentru britanici ca invatacelul si-a depasit cumva maestrul. De altfel si la ora actuala relatiile intre indieni si britanici sint beningne (nu mai zic intre britanici si americani care-s frati de cruce).
Genul asta de relatii se aplica intr-o oarecare masura (mai mica sau mai mare) la majoritatea imperiilor. Chiar si rusii au genul asta de relatii cu unele din tarle foste sau actuale vasale. Si chinezii, si otomanii. Singurul imperiu pur distructiv si jefuitor de care stiu eu au fost cel mongol.

Ma intreb cati americani cuceriti de britanici mai traiesc acum acolo, in America... Ma rog, urmasi de-ai lor... Si daca britanicii sunt frati de cruce cu ei.

Politic ziceam, ca etnic cea mai mare minoritate americana sint nemtii.

In ce America traiesti mai Ozz frate ? Nu cumva e vorba de "hispanics" ?

el traieste in california. hispanics nu pot fi considerati in nici un caz "minoritate" in california...

Ma refeream la etnicitatea bazata pe tara nu pe rasa. Ca asa puteam sa spun "albi". Hispanicii aia sint multe culori si cei mai numerosi, mexicanii, sint de vreo 3 ori mai putini ca germanii:
http://www.census.gov/prod/2004pubs/c2kbr-35.pdf
15% nemti, 6% mexicani.

asta e un articol f interesant cu un studiu facut in germania. pacat ca nu stiu boaba de germana:

http://www.autozeitung.de/image-report-2008

a fost o serie de 20 de intrebari

aici este raspunsul oamenilor la prima intrebare:
http://www.autozeitung.de/grosse-leserumfrage/frage-1

pt a vedea raspunsul la cea de a doua deschideti linkul de mai sus cu prima intrebare si apoi veti vedea sub grafic scris asa:
zu Frage 2: Welche Marke baut sichere Autos?

samd

This post has been edited by AZAZEL: Dec 2 2008, 07:14 PM

nush mai mult este pus accentu pe inovatile aduse la mashini in ultima vreme cred ca 4-5 ani .. din ce am tradus si am intzeles .... nu e vb chiar de fiabilitate ci de treaba asta ... nush ... dupa 3 pagini aka intrebari m am oprit

sunt 20 de intrebari in total. trebuia sa continui pt ca de mai multe ori este si toyota sau lexus pe primul loc iar articolul nu este unul din ala care vrea sa scoata superioritatea germana in fata ci chiar este bazat pe ceea ce cred consumatorii nemti. si alfa am vazut-o o data pe locul 1.
chiar as fi curios sa stiu ce au fost intrebati nemtii.

ps la intrebarea nr 8 dacia este pe locul 2.

This post has been edited by AZAZEL: Dec 3 2008, 12:09 AM

eu zic ca: look & confort masinile germane, motor masinile japoneze.
vorbind la general.

Cucuci, sa stii ca sunt si masini japoneze ff confortabile...chiar si in comparatie cu nemtestile...depinde ce compari, si cum...mai degraba japonezele au un raport calitate-pret cu mult mai aproape de adevar decat cele nemtesti...

Ward's Auto has released its annual list of Ten Best Engines for the new year, and our first assessment is that it's just as interesting for what isn't present as for what is. First of all, let's get the official list out of the way:


Audi AG: 2.0L TFSI turbocharged DOHC I-4 (A4 Avant)
BMW AG: 3.0L turbocharged DOHC I-6 (135i Coupe)
BMW AG: 3.0L DOHC I-6 Turbodiesel (335d)
Chrysler LLC: 5.7L Hemi OHV V-8 (Dodge Ram/Challenger R/T)
Ford Motor Co.: 2.5L DOHC I-4 HEV (Escape Hybrid)
General Motors Corp.: 3.6L DOHC V-6 (Cadillac CTS)
Honda Motor Co. Ltd.: 3.5L SOHC V-6 (Accord Coupe)
Hyundai Motor Co. Ltd.: 4.6L DOHC V-8 (Genesis)
Toyota Motor Corp.: 3.5L DOHC V-6 (Lexus IS 350)
Volkswagen AG: 2.0L SOHC I-4 Turbodiesel (Jetta TDI)

Take a good look. Nissan's ubiquitous VQ, which up to this point, was the only engine series that had made Ward's Ten Best ever since the list's inception in 1995, is conspicuously absent. That's a big deal. We also note a couple of turbodiesel engines, one in BMW's favored inline-six configuration and one that powers VW's Jetta TDI. Ford's updated 2.5L hybrid four cylinder is also recognized, rounding out this year's trio of green powerplants. We also note that there's only one American V8 engine, the redesigned HEMI from Chrysler. More snubs? How'd they miss the amazing powerplants that sit under the hoods of the Corvette ZR1 and the Nissan GT-R? Update: Thanks goes to our commentators, who point out that the ZR1 and GT-R are too expensive to make the list.

[Source: Ward's Auto]

PRESS RELEASE:

Ward's Announces 2009 10 Best Engines Winners

SOUTHFIELD, MI – Amid plummeting vehicle sales, thousands of job losses, an economy officially in recession and pleas for federal assistance, a handful of auto makers have cause to celebrate.

Ward's Automotive Group announces its 2009 10 Best Engines list, which reflects the diversity of powertrains that will play a role in reshaping America's automotive landscape.

Selected by Ward's editors, the 2009 list marks the 15th year for the Ward's 10 Best Engines program, the North American auto industry's only awards honoring powertrain excellence and considered by many to be the "Oscars" for automotive engines.

The winners for 2008 (engine and tested vehicle):

* Audi AG: 2.0L TFSI turbocharged DOHC I-4 (A4 Avant)
* BMW AG: 3.0L turbocharged DOHC I-6 (135i Coupe)
* BMW AG: 3.0L DOHC I-6 Turbodiesel (335d)
* Chrysler LLC: 5.7L Hemi OHV V-8 (Dodge Ram/Challenger R/T)
* Ford Motor Co.: 2.5L DOHC I-4 HEV (Escape Hybrid)
* General Motors Corp.: 3.6L DOHC V-6 (Cadillac CTS)
* Honda Motor Co. Ltd.: 3.5L SOHC V-6 (Accord Coupe)
* Hyundai Motor Co. Ltd.: 4.6L DOHC V-8 (Genesis)
* Toyota Motor Corp.: 3.5L DOHC V-6 (Lexus IS 350)
* Volkswagen AG: 2.0L SOHC I-4 Turbodiesel (Jetta TDI)

Awards to be presented during Detroit auto show in January.

"A decade ago, few consumers in the U.S. paid serious attention to hybrids or diesels. This year, they have to, if they don't want to be pinched the next time fuel hits $4 a gallon," says Tom Murphy, executive editor of Ward's AutoWorld magazine."The diesels from VW and BMW and the Ford Escape Hybrid all got better than 30 mpg (7.8 L/100 km) during our testing, and often they topped 40 mpg (5.8 L/100 km)," he says. "And the diesels meet the strictest emissions regulations in the world. If Americans want to find a vehicle that consumes less fuel and is fun to drive, our list is a great place to start."

Among the winners is Ford Motor Co.'s redesigned 2.5L 4-cyl. hybrid-electric powertrain, which motivated President and CEO Alan Mulally's Escape Hybrid cross/utility vehicle to and from Washington D.C. for federal-aid talks, makes the cut.

During Ward's testing, the front-wheel-drive HEV managed to easily surpass the federal fuel-economy rating of 34/31 city/highway mpg (6.9-7.5 L/100 km).

BMW AG's new 3.0L inline 6-cyl. turbodiesel scores a slot on the list in its first year available in the U.S. Joined by the auto maker's twin-turbocharged and direct-injected gasoline I-6 engine, which returns for the third year, the diesel employs a sequential twin-turbocharger system that provides the 335d sedan with impressive fuel economy and a stunning 425 lb.-ft. (576 Nm) of torque.

Volkswagen AG joins the clean-diesel party this year, as well, with its new 2.0L 4-cyl. turbodiesel powering the Jetta TDI sedan. Fun to drive and frugal at the pump, the TDI is an affordable and entertaining alternative to many larger gasoline and hybrid-electric powertrains.

Hyundai Motor Co. Ltd. appears for the first time on Ward's 10 Best Engines list with its all-new Tau 4.6L DOHC V-8. Introduced in the new Genesis luxury sedan, the engine's velvety power delivery, competitive performance and attainable price epitomize the Korean auto maker's drive for world-class engineering.
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Chrysler LLC's venerable 5.7L Hemi V-8 returns to the rankings with added refinement, power and variable-valvetrain and induction technology. Its guttural roar and low-end grunt serves double duty this year in the all-new Dodge Challenger R/T and Ram pickup.

Toyota Motor Corp. scores its fourth consecutive 10 Best Engines win with its Lexus 3.5L DOHC V-6, a brilliant design that employs a unique, combination direct- and port-injection fueling system that helps generate 306 hp and 277 lb.-ft. (376 Nm) of torque.

General Motors Corp. and Honda Motor Co. Ltd. also make return appearances with their high-volume V-6 engines exemplifying practicality balanced with precision engineering.

GM's high-feature 3.6L V-6 with direct-gasoline injection returns for the second time. Tested in the Cadillac CTS, yet flexible enough to proliferate through the auto maker's CUVs, the advanced V-6 makes a hardy 304 hp on regular gasoline.

Honda underscores its longstanding reputation for great engines with the encore performance of its 3.5L SOHC V-6 in the Accord lineup. Merging exceptional performance with reasonable fuel economy, the engine employs advanced cylinder deactivation in the sedan and engaging power delivery in the coupe.

Audi AG's 2.0L TFSI turbocharged 4-cyl., freshly revamped with 211 hp and a mighty 258 lb.-ft. (350 Nm) of torque for the all-new A4, rounds out the list with a fourth-consecutive 10 Best Engines placing as one of the best all-around turbo-4s on the market.

This year, six Ward's editors nominated 32 different engines for the Ward's 10 Best Engines competition. The nominee list consists of the 2008 winners as well as all-new or significantly improved engines.

Over a nearly 2-month period, the editors evaluated and scored each engine against all others in a number of objective and subjective parameters. Each engine must be available in a regular-production U.S.-specification model on sale no later than first-quarter 2009, in a vehicle priced no more than $54,000, a price cap indexed to the average cost of a new vehicle.

The awards will be given at a Jan. 14 ceremony in Detroit during the North American International Auto Show.

Complete stories about the 10 Best Engines will be featured soon on WardsAuto.com and in upcoming issues of Ward's AutoWorld magazine and Ward's Engine & Vehicle Technology Update newsletter.

Ward's 10 Best Engines is a copyright of Penton Media Inc. Commercial references to the program and/or awards are prohibited without prior permission of Ward's Automotive Group.

adrian ... eu ma refeream la general dar da-mi voie sa nu fiu deacord cu tine.
raport calitate/pret ... pai depinde pe ce criteriu mergi ... daca vrei o masina frumoasa raportul calitate/pret va fi in favoarea celor germane, daca te uiti la o masina fiabila raportul calitate/pret va fi in favoarea celor japoneze. eu asa vad treaba.

frumusetea este ceva ff subiectiv, cucuci...mie, personal, imi place la fel de mult designul de la noul A4, cat si Mazda 6...noua grila fata de la Accord mi se pare mai aratoasa decat a noii serii 5 de la BMW, iar siluetele laterale ale VW CC si Mercedes CLS sunt ravisante...pur subiectiv, dupa cum vezi...

cand ma refeream la raportul calitate/pret, ma gandeam la masina ca intreg...frumusetea doar de dragul frumusetii nu stiu daca se pune, pentru simplul motiv ca la capitolul design cel mai bine stau italienii si francezii...iarasi o parere subiectiva...

Care masini germane sint domle frumoase? M3? A5? CLS? Pai alea sint foarte scumpe, ar face bine sa fie si frumoase. Da in rest masinile germane nu-s frumoase sub nici o forma. Sint conservative, serioase, majoritatea nu-s urita dar nu-s frumoase. Ce-i frumos la Golf, Jetta, Passat, seria 5 etc? Pina si porschele sint cele mai urite masini sport de pe fata pamintului. Sau Zurile alea de la BMW.

Frumussetea e ceva fooooarte subiectiv.
Or fi masinile germane cu look conservator, dar uite ca mie alea-mi plac. Asa cum taximetristii isi iau Ford Crown Victoria
Liniile agresive de la Lexus sau Mazda, spatele si stopurile curbate de la Infiniti ... pai alea masini urate mai tata mai (chiar despre asta discutam cu f1anatic cand ne intalniram la o cafa)

This post has been edited by AlexTM: Dec 9 2008, 09:01 PM

Eu desi sunt foarte deschis la nou consider ca ce este prea mult strica. La masini vreau sa vad putin conservatorism, decenta, sobrietate si agresivitate in acelasi timp. BMW seria 5 o consider foarte frumoasa, seria 6 este foarte frumoasa, Z8 este o incantare, noul C klasse imi place, Porsche sunt foarte frumoase, doar daca nu vrei sa vezi... sunt simple si desi sunt deja arhibinecunscute ca design formele sunt si placute si in acelasi timp agresive. Imi place iarasi masculinitatea lui Mercedes in editia Black Edition, Audi are linii frumoase, imi place A3-ul de exemplu, mereu mi-a placut masina aia, imi place si Jaguarul Xtype ca design, Aston Martin DBS este divina. Cand ma uit insa la un Infiniti ma apuca asa o greata mai ales cand vad stopurile alea de prost gust total. Lexus, sa nu-i vad, din hoti si ticalosi ordinari nu-i scot, am un amic care are unul nu-i vine sa creada cata repulsie pot sa am pentru firma asta. Drept este noul Z nu imi inspira mare lucru , este originala total masina aia desi imi place mai mult Z3 si desi masina asta desi iti da niste senzatii de nu-i adevarat stiu sigur ca nu sunt obiectiv intrucat nu m-am putut impaca cu accesul: de urcat ma urc in ea dar cand trebuie sa ma dau jos am mari probleme...
Insa nu pot ramane insensibil la liniile unui Citroen care... inspira ceva. Din japoneze Honda imi inspira originalitate si ii apreciez nu doar pentru latura mai sportiva pe care o au dar imi plac Civicurile europene, consider ca sunt frumoase (hatch-urile) si Accordul Coupe american care il consider iarasi frumos. De fapt de-aia l-am si luat, mi-a placut foarte mult designul.
Cum zicea si Alex mai sus, cand vad un Crown Victoria de taxi negru, sobru si elegant nu pot sa nu admit prestanta masinii aleia... Ca sa nu mai zic cat sunt de fiabile...

BMW-ul din ultimii ani numa' conservator nu e poate numi, pentru mine prea curbat (fire Bangle! ).
POATE doar noua serie 7...

Domle, la BMW a fost generatia aia pierduta, cu stopurile alea coreene de care a mai vorbit noi. Design clasic la BMW e la masinile dinainte, la alea ma refeream eu. Porsche e frumos? Cu faruririle alea bulbucate, cu spatele ala picat? Nu-ti plac stopurile la Mito si nu te oripilezi la fauririle de porsche? In special modelel ceva mai vechi sint teribile... Z8 e masina oarecum clasica, n-am nimic de zis, mie nu-mi inspira nimic... nu-i in nici un caz o frumosete, dar nu-i urit. Z3 etc nu e nici simpla nici clasica ci e groaznic de incarcata de linii inutile. X3, X5, X6 sint pocitanii, da ma rog mie nu prea-mi place nici un SUV. Seria 6 are design asiatic. Daca intrebai un fan BMW acum 10 ani cui ii aprtine stopul de BMW seria 5 ti-ar fi spus ca la o coreeana ceva si daca ii aratai seria 6 ti-ar fi spus ca e masina japoneza.
Mercurile nu-s urite, nici Audi (A3 proabil ca e cel mai urit intre ele dar tot nu-i rau, Q7 e oribil). Da VW n-are domle nici un design care sa poate fi numit frumos. Nu zic ca-s oribile, dar frumusetea nu e intre calitatile lor.

This post has been edited by ozz86651: Dec 10 2008, 12:13 AM