Masinile Japoneze - o alternative mai mult decat viabila la

daihatsu e bun si scrie si tu mai putin si mai frumos :minigun:

In franta pretul oficial la alfa 147GTA este 35.000 cu toate taxele incluse, insa exista aproape permanent promotii incat sa poata scadea sub pretul psihiatric de 30.000€. Pe de alta parte, Golf e scump e scump pe aici.
Oricum, si pentru una si pentru alta asigurarea costa enorm....

o alfa 147 V6 24v GTA=35142E,un subaru impreza 2.0 WRX=36348E,subaru face 0-100km/h 5.9s,alfa 0-100km/h 6.3s

consum subaru / alfa
urban 12,7 litri / 18.1
extraurban 7,1 litri / 8.6
mediu 9,2 litri / 12.1

deci subaru :cheers:,arata si mai bine

subaru e masina ...

ca sa nu spunem ca subaru are 30% taxe , daaaa???

luate in leasing subaru iese mai ieftin :cheers: cam cu 20% mai ieftin decat pretul lui de 36 000

sa va spun eu cum stau lucrurile cu japonezii asti ca traiesc cu ei aici zi de zi au respect pentru orice lucru care il fac iar candte duci undeva te primesc cu caldura iar ca strain {roman}sant tratat curespect cea ce nu se intampla mai nicaieri in europa cat despre munca sa stiti ca sant foarte muncitori si se tin sedinte inainte de munca si dupa munca si i se spune colectivului cat trebuie sa faca norma in acea zi si cat se castiga sause pierde si ce consecinte aduc .iar cat despre masini ce sa va spun sant nr 1 sant pe locul 2 cei de la toyota ca nr de masini fabricate ca nr 1 sant general motors dar nu cred ca pt mult timp .vreu sa va spun ca in asia80 la suta se folosesc masini japoneze iar in japonia masini ca mercedes sau bmw nepreparate brabus sau lorinsen nu vezicum vezi prin romania iar masini cum sant isi cumpara cei tineri care vor sa para mai ciudati marcieuropene cum sant seat sauskoda nici pomeneala iar masini coreene nici pomeneala.dar sa stiti ca sant foarte buni in cea ce fac si la ei daca apare un produs nou in america sau europa mai trece un an pana apare plus ca au o masina care o fabrica numai pt ei toyota centuri ceva in jur la 100000de dolari masina care o folosesc numai avocatii familia regala adica cei cu bani

Europenii pasesc si ei pe urmele americanilor in aprecierea masinilor asiatice:

ACEA statistics show that Japanese brands combined sold a record 1.91 million vehicles in western Europe last year, a market share of 13.1 percent. Korean firms reached almost 591,000 during the same period, another record and a share of 4.2 percent.

Collectively, Japanese and Korean manufacturers added 4.1 percent of market share over the past three years. That’s nearly another 450,000 units annually – the equivalent of Seat’s entire 2004 production – in a period when overall demand in western Europe fell by about 2 percent to 14.5 million units.

Asian firms are set to increase their combined market share from 17.4 percent last year to almost 19 percent by 2010, according to Global Insight (13,8% for Japanese brands and 5.1% for the Koreans).

Their totals for the whole of Europe – everywhere west of the Ural Mountains including the bulk of the Russian market – were far higher, though no reliable official data exist.

In the data gap, conventional analysis can be misleading. European automakers often report sales in terms of western Europe. Asian brands cite all of Europe including Russia and Turkey.

Toyota reported overall sales of nearly 916,000 vehicles in Europe in 2004, including light commercials. ACEA’s figure for Toyota in western Europe (European Union 15 plus Switzerland, Norway and Iceland) was approximately 725,700.

Similarly, Nissan claimed almost 544,000 sales in the whole of Europe last year, but the western European total was only 366,000.

ACEA’s figures therefore represent only 80 percent of Toyota’s European total and two-thirds of Nissan’s. The situation is similar for other Asian brands.

In other words, the common view of only sales in western European dramatically understates the true positions of Japanese and Korean brands in all of Europe. They are bigger and better entrenched than many western Europeans see them.

Dupa Autonews Europe

In USA marcile asiatice detin in prezent 36,2% din piata fiind si anul acesta in expansiune: Toyota a crescut pe primele 3 luni 2005 cu aprox 17%, iar Nissan, Suzuki si Grupul Hyundai ( Hyundai-Kia) ambele cu aprox 11%. Mazda si Honda sunt insa in scadere cu aprox. 1% pe primul trimestru al 2005 fata de aceeasi perioada a anului trecut. Subaru in ciuda introducerii noului Legacy/Outback anul trecut a avut vanzari stabile ( nici o crestere) probabil datorita faptului ca pretul benzinei e in crestere in America si piata arata semne clare de reorientare catre masini mai eficiente.

The following table compares Honda's and Nissan's production, sales, profit and stock performance:



HONDA NISSAN

Output, year to 3/04 2.99 mln vehicles 3.06 mln vehicles

Sales, 9 mth to 12/04 6.3 tln yen 6.1 tln yen
Net income, 9 mth 392.1 bln yen 373.0 bln yen
Full-year net, est. (1) 480.0 bln yen 503.0 bln yen

Market capitalization 4.85 tln yen 4.76 tln yen
Weighting, Topix 1.380% 1.356%
Weighting, MXAP (2) 1.202% 0.802%

Sales, calendar 2004 3.19 mln vehicles 3.30 mln vehicles
Subtotals:
U.S. 1,394,398 985,989
Japan 743,071 826,822
Europe 255,721 543,948
Asia ex Japan 498,398 410,811
Others 302,419 528,260

Asian sales have helped Honda cut its dependence on the U.S. to 64 percent of operating profit... Nissan's U.S. share is at 74 percent, the most among Japan's top five automakers.

Chinese government data show Honda had 9.1 percent of the nation's passenger-car market in 2004, compared with 2.6 percent for Nissan and 4.9 percent for Toyota.

am o japoneza de care sunt f multumit si mandru, dar asta nu inseamna cu nu mi-as fi luat vreun bmw. din pacate la banii pe care i-am dat pe o masina full, imi luam un bmw (seria 3) chel si uzat moral, tehnic si ca si design (mai ales cel interior lasa de dorit).
dar totusi e bmw, are o alta imagine, un alt sound la motor si o tinuta de drum care, dupa unii, e cu cateva generatii peste toate celelate marci auto (vezi test comparativ serie 7 vs a8-atunci cand au aparut).
la capitolul fiabilitate nu comentez in favoarea sau in defavoarea vreuneia, stiu ca japonezii stau mai bine in top, dar nici germanele de clasa bmw-ului nu cred ca stau mult mai prost.
iar daca aparea acum un 1 an si seria 1, nu stiu pt ce as fi optat, chiar daca e o clasa mai mica.......

iti dau in parte dreptate,am acum bmw,dar am avut mai multe masini japoneze si m-au spart-vorbesc de masini destul de vechi,dar intretinute
ex-mitsubishi starion turbo de 2000cc-181 cp-zapaceam soseaua cu ea acum 3 ani,si vreau sa spun ca era si foarte fiabila
imi plac mult motoarele japoneze la disperare-sunt si silentioase si fiabile daca stii sa le intretii-bafta
apropos ,sunt deschis si discutiilor despre orice bmw-le repar toata ziua-adioprisan

Exista un foarte frumos topic dedicat BMW. aici se discuta despre japoneze.

Am in japonia colegii de servici cu care lucrez <japonezi>,ei nu schimba uleiul la masina decat daca se aprinde becul .Unul are o toyota celalalt un subaru iar altul al treilea un mitsubishi.cred ca asta e mai mult decat fiabilitate nu credeti?Si vreau sa va spun ca au cel putin 8 luni de cand nu au schimbat uleiul. :bash:

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