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HalbaSus
post Dec 26 2005, 10:19 PM
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i'm gonna go mad...

hotarativa... ce introducem la valorile respective... eu sunt varza nu sunt bun la calcule, voi aveti inclinatii spre stiinte reale voi sa-mi spuneti ce trebuie sa bag... btw... eu am in baza de date opelul, sharanul, a3-ul si loganul 1.6... sunt dispus sa le impart... odata ce o sa aflu ce trebuie sa introduc...


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post Dec 26 2005, 10:34 PM
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Uite ce am introdus eu...


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post Dec 26 2005, 10:50 PM
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Io am bagat astea:
In continuare distributia de mase e la plesneala, iar coeficientul aerodinamic nesigur fiind luat de pe un forum. Restul sunt valorile din manual

Am modificat lansarea, am plecat de la 3500 rpm cu ambreiajul dump

0-60mph 9.3s
0-90mph 20.0s
0-100 mph 25.6s
0-100fts 3.4s

1/4miles 16.9s 81.7mph
Top speed 123 mph.
De data asta, 0-60mph s-a apropiat de valoarea din manual.

Cuplul l-am dat ca in manual. Daca as folosi valoarea de la Leganza, sau cea de pe globalcar.com la care cuplul maxim e dat la 4400 rpm si lansarea de la 4500 rpm castig 0.1s si la 0-60 si la 1/4 miles


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post Dec 26 2005, 11:27 PM
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Ia sa bag si Ibiza:
Date:

In manual: 0-100km/h 14.5s
Top speed 157km/h

Rezultate program:
0-60mph 11.8s
0-90mph 31.8s
0-100mph 56.0s biggrin.gif Prea aproape de top speed biggrin.gif
0-100fts 3.7s
1/4 miles 18.5s @ 75.4mph
Top speed 101mph


Ce e interesant este ca nu a schimbat intr-a 5-a! Viteza recomandata pentru treapta schimbarea 4-5-a este redline, adica dincolo de viteza maxima... chestia asta am observat-o si eu, in treapta a 4-a ajung la 6000rpm sa depasesc viteza maxima data in carte, chestie care am mai comentat-o la "reprizele dinamice"


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post Dec 27 2005, 12:23 AM
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Audi A3 1.9 TDI 105 bhp
100 ft - 3.4
500 ft - 9.6
1/4 mile - 18.0
0-60 mph - 11.1
0-100 mph - 45.3

Opel Vectra 2.0 DTL 83 bhp
100 ft - 3.8
500 ft - 10.5
1/4 mile - 19.8
0-60 mph - 14.9
0-100 mph - 71.8

Vw Sharan 1.9 TDI 115 bhp
100 ft - 3.6
500 ft - 10.0
1/4 mile - 18.8
0-60 mph - 12.9
0-100 mph - 52.7


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post Dec 27 2005, 12:35 AM
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Seamana cu valorile date in carte tehnica la masinile tale?


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post Dec 27 2005, 12:45 AM
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Am doar valorile de 0-100 km/h (care reprezinta cam 0-62 mph):
A3: 11.7
VW Sharan: 13.7 (1/4 mile: 18.9)
Opel Vectra: 14.5

Are programul unele "erori" care cred ca depind de alte variabile: materialele folosite la construirea motorului, esapament, admisie aer, conditii atmosferice, etc... (e foarte ciudat ca spre exemplu la sharan da un timp 0-100 nerealist dar ghiceste aproape la sutime timpul pe sfert de mila... din pacate la celelalte masini nu am date oficiale despre sfertul de mila)


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post Dec 27 2005, 09:58 AM
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Octavia 1.8t 150bhp
100 ft: 3,4s
500 ft: 8,9s
1/4 mile: 16,6s
0-60 mph: 8,3s(in carte 8,4s 0-100km/h)
0-100 mph: 25,8 s

Avensis 2.2 D-4D 150bhp
100 ft: 3,4s
500 ft: 9,1s
1/4 mile: 16,9s
0-60 mph: 9,0s(in carte 9,3s 0-100 km/h)
0-100 mph: 25,8 s

La ambele masini Vmax este mai mica decat cea declarata de producator.


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post Dec 27 2005, 11:20 AM
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Intre timp am mai facut pt 2 masini care sunt la firma la noi, o supernova si o solenza:

Supernova:
100 ft: 3,5s
500 ft: 9.7s
1/4 mile: 18.3s
0-60 mph: 11.8
0-100 mph: -

Solenza:
100 ft: 3,6s
500 ft: 10.0s
1/4 mile: 18.8s
0-60 mph: 12.7s
0-100 mph: -

De remarcat ca cele 2 dacii au rezultate mai bune decat in realitate, si diferenta e mai mare decat la celelalte masini testate... opinia mea (care poate parea un pic dacio-foba) este ca masinile ar trebui sa se comporte asa cum zice programul daca ar fi fost bine facute, dar nu au fost bine facute... o alta chestie e ca ambele scot timpi mai bun decat "autobuzul" meu de sharan... in realitate am facut o liniuta cu supernova (in conditii controlate) si rezultatul a fost penibil... parca faceam liniuta cu o trotineta... discrepanta a fost enorma... asa ca in cazul asta "viata bate filmul" sau mai precis "programul"... oricum eu nu as da vina pe program, el n-are de unde sa stie ca dacia e echipata cu montana, ca modul in care motorul trage aer nu e tocmai cel mai eficient, ca esapamentul nu a fost proiectat pentru cele mai bune performante, samd...

O concluzie reala in schimb este ca supernova smokes solenza... si sunt convins ca loganul 1.4 are rezultate si mai slabe...


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post Dec 27 2005, 11:21 AM
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@Andrei Daca ai datele, baga si Dacia! Chiar suntem curiosi:)
Eu voi incerca sa fac rost de date si sa bag si moskwichul 1500... cand se intorc ai mei de la munte biggrin.gif
Si daca puteti, faceti publice si datele introduse, ca sa facem baza de date.


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post Dec 27 2005, 11:38 AM
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Eu am introdus in baza de date:
Opel Vectra 2.0 DTL 83 cp
VW Sharan 1.9 TDI 115 cp
Audi A3 1.9 TDI 105 cp
Dacia Logan 1.6 90 cp (am folosit datele lui tudor cu mici corecturi)
Dacia Solenza 1.4 75 cp
Dacia Supernova 1.4 75 cp

Decat sa pun datele pe forum mai bine luati programul meu si va uitati la date acolo... ca mi-e lene sa fac screenshot cu fiecare masina.


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post Dec 27 2005, 12:23 PM
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Am bagat si obiectele mele in baza de date a lui Halba.... insa nu stiu cum sa o atasez.
Acum sunt introduse

Opel Vectra 2.0 DTL 83 cp
VW Sharan 1.9 TDI 115 cp
Audi A3 1.9 TDI 105 cp
Dacia Logan 1.6 90 cp (am folosit datele lui tudor cu mici corecturi)
Dacia Solenza 1.4 75 cp
Dacia Supernova 1.4 75 cp
Daewoo Nubira 2.0 133CP
Seat Ibiza 1.2L 71 CP

PS Am putea sterge masinile care nu le vom vedea vreodata pe strazi, gen Accura din '92, ca sa nu ne impiedicam de ele...


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post Dec 27 2005, 02:02 PM
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Luati de AICI
datele pentru:
Opel Vectra 2.0 DTL 83 cp
VW Sharan 1.9 TDI 115 cp
Audi A3 1.9 TDI 105 cp
Dacia Logan 1.6 90 cp (am folosit datele lui tudor cu mici corecturi)
Dacia Solenza 1.4 75 cp
Dacia Supernova 1.4 75 cp
Daewoo Nubira 2.0 133CP
Seat Ibiza 1.2L 71 CP


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post Dec 27 2005, 02:55 PM
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Am adaugat si ML-ul lui maica-mea in program: download

ML320 218 cp
100 ft: 3,0s
500 ft: 8.7s
1/4 mile: 16.9s
0-60 mph: 9.0s (9.5 s pana 100 km/h in carte)
0-100 mph: - 33.2s


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post Dec 27 2005, 04:22 PM
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Legacy 2.5i
0-100 : 8.91
217 vit max
6200 lauch speed rpm with clutch dump blink.gif saracu' ambreiaj
trebuie sa ma mai asigur ca am rapoartele bune.

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0-400m : 16.08 @ 135.93


1/4 mile:
f1anatic - subaru legacy gt - 13.6
G e o r g e - Forester 2.5XT - 15.17
DragosS - Vectra 150 cp - 15.3
DragosV - Astra - 15.7
G e o r g e - Legacy 2.5i - 16.08
MR - Nubira - 17.1 s
Tudor - Logan 1.6 - 17.6 sau 17.8
Halba - A3 - 18 s
Halba - Sharan - 18.7


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post Dec 27 2005, 05:02 PM
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A postat F1anatic niste rapoarte pentru Legacy aici:
http://www.masini.ro/forum/viewtopic.php?t...c&start=100


PS George, pune si tu programul cu toate masinile alea incluse sa le avem si noi in baza de date.

E buna dracia asta de programel pentru un eventual chiptuning, poti vedea cat de mare e castigul. In cazul meu, exista posibilitatea unui chiptuning care sa aduca 11CP in plus; As castiga la 0-100km/h aproape jumatate de secunda.


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post Dec 27 2005, 07:33 PM
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Eu cu filtrul de aer conic scot la 0-100 un timp mai bun cu 1.2 secunde... acum poate ca datorita erorii kilometrajului timpul nu e pe 0-100 ci pe 0-87 km/h dar oricum sunt mai rapid cu o secunda decat masina stock... pe sfertul de mila cred ca sunt mai rapid cu ~1.5

Limitarea programului vine tocmai din faptul ca nu prea poti calcula valorile masinilor modificate... doar daca le duci pe dyno si aflii noile valori de cp si cuplu... si oricum programul are o eroare de pana in 0.5 secunde oricat de corect ai introduce datele...


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post Dec 27 2005, 07:41 PM
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Putetzi sa bagatzi in baza de date (adica tu HALBA) datele pt. Legacy-ul meu ?
Pliiiiiiiiizzzz ...ca daca tot ai pus atitea masini...why not si pe a mea.


Start RPM = 4000
Clutch SLIP
sfertul de mila 13.4 sec
Mersoix Much !

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- j.reed / 13.356 @ 102.39mph / 1.860 60' / Atco / 5MT / GT Ltd Sedan / AP Stage 1, Kartboy Short Shifter, Perrin Uppipe heatwrapped, Ported Exaust Manifold / 63F, 91 Relative Hum. / 9.6.05

- rporter / 13.395 @ 99.93 / 1.885 60'/Lapeer (MI) Dragway / 5MT / GT Ltd Wagon / AP Stage 1 93 / 52F, 53% hum. / 11.19.2005

et cetera
http://www.legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21501


Potzi sa ma treci cu datele cerute 4000 rpm, clutch slip si tot ce este in screen shot ? Mersi !


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post Dec 27 2005, 07:45 PM
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QUOTE(MR28673)
@Andrei Daca ai datele, baga si Dacia! Chiar suntem curiosi:)
Eu voi incerca sa fac rost de date si sa bag si moskwichul 1500... cand se intorc ai mei de la munte biggrin.gif
Si daca puteti, faceti publice si datele introduse, ca sa facem baza de date.

Din pacate nu am final ratio pt Dacia.
George mi se pare mult prea optimist timpul pe sfert de mila tinand cont ca timpul 0-60 este de 8.91s.


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post Dec 27 2005, 10:56 PM
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am si eu o rugaminte , nu gasesc gear ratios pt astra classic 1.7cdti...le are cineva cumva?
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