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James Kilowatt
post Oct 28 2011, 05:19 PM
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X3 nu da pe dinafara la capitolul spatiu, cred ca interiorul e mai mic decat toate celelalte din lista. E cel care isi merita cel mai putin banii, dupa parerea mea.


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post Oct 28 2011, 05:21 PM
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QUOTE (James Kilowatt @ Oct 28 2011, 11:19 AM) *
X3 nu da pe dinafara la capitolul spatiu, cred ca interiorul e mai mic decat toate celelalte din lista. E cel care isi merita cel mai putin banii, dupa parerea mea.

Depinde la ce-ti trebuie spatiul. In rest e peste toate la orice capitol.


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post Oct 28 2011, 05:27 PM
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Abia am incaput 5 insi in X3.


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post Oct 28 2011, 05:28 PM
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Pentru cei aproximativ 2-3 copiii, recensamantul nu e gata inca biggrin.gif


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post Oct 28 2011, 05:31 PM
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ai zis ca intr-un timp ai cochetat la ideea de a cumpara una din aceste masini sau ceva din clasa asta. sa inteleg ca ai revenit la idee? vrei sa cumperi sau doar vrei sa afli parerile celor de pe forum?



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post Oct 28 2011, 05:36 PM
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QUOTE (James Kilowatt @ Oct 28 2011, 05:54 PM) *
Eu ca inginer nepetrolist as vrea sa stiu macar care-i sursa de energie pentru fabricarea geologica a petrolului sau regenerarea zacamintelor daca o excludem pe cea de origine biologica?

Posibil originea sa ramana cea biologica desi sunt sceptic ... enorm de multa materie organica trebuie sa fie la baza miliardelor de barili extrasi, existenti si neexploatati inca... Lasand asta la o parte, probabil ca exploatarile se regenereaza doar pe motiv ca nu sunt extrase integral... ori asta e un fel de raspuns ca de fapt resursele sunt mult mai mari decat stim, si dupa ce epuizam un zacamant/o punga de titei e posibil sa fi supt doar motul icebergului. Cine stie ce efect de cavitate se creaza la un zacamant abandonat si in timp punga se umple ... daca asta e raspunsul atunci am extras 10% din hidrocarburi si mai avem 90% resurse.


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post Oct 28 2011, 05:39 PM
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Asta e sigur, nu o presupunere. Un zacamant "epuizat" in general e exploatat cam 30%. Se extrage petrolul ieftin, nu tot care e disponibil. Insa daca pretul creste, cresc si rezervele, pentru ca redevine interesant sa reincepi sa extragi si din restul de 70%.
Pusesem undeva un raport facut de BP in 2010. Acolo, printre alte concluzii, una interesanta e ca rezervele au ramas aceleasi fata de 2009. Rezervele noi descoperite intr-un an au fost cam aceleasi cu consumul in anul respectiv.


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post Oct 28 2011, 05:40 PM
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QUOTE (solmar @ Oct 28 2011, 11:27 AM) *
Abia am incaput 5 insi in X3.

in modelul nou, 2011? Mi-e greu sa cred.
In cel vechi te cred.


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post Oct 28 2011, 05:47 PM
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Cel nou are 3cm in plus pe latime, si 2 cm in plus spatiu la picioare in spate, desi e cu 7cm mai lunga. Nu cred ca diferenta poate fi atat de criminala.
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post Oct 28 2011, 05:49 PM
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QUOTE (Mircea104901 @ Oct 28 2011, 06:40 PM) *
QUOTE (solmar @ Oct 28 2011, 11:27 AM) *
Abia am incaput 5 insi in X3.

in modelul nou, 2011? Mi-e greu sa cred.
In cel vechi te cred.

Se intampla in 2006-2007. Nu exagerez, dar abia asteptam sa coboram... in spate a fost criminal, 3 insi intre 175-185 cm/90-100 kg bucata ... iar cel din fata dreapta a tras scaunul cat de mult.

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post Oct 28 2011, 05:56 PM
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Din aceasta lista Volvo si Skoda au sisteme Haldex cu ambreiaj multidisc controlat electronic. In mod normal au tractiune doar pe fata.
Audi, Alfa si Subaru au diferentiale mecanice, ambele punti primind tractiune tot timpul, de aici rezulta un consum mai ridicat decat la cele electronice.


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post Oct 28 2011, 05:56 PM
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QUOTE (James Kilowatt @ Oct 28 2011, 11:47 AM) *
Cel nou are 3cm in plus pe latime, si 2 cm in plus spatiu la picioare in spate, desi e cu 7cm mai lunga. Nu cred ca diferenta poate fi atat de criminala.


Cel mai bine iti dai seama daca te urci in amandoua. whistling.gif Cateodata si 1 cm face diferenta rolleyes.gif .

Citez dintr-un review, ca mi-e mai usor:
"If there’s one important improvement for the new X3 its in the added space. The ‘sports activity vehicle’ has grown in all ways for 2011, even though its new look gives the impression of a more compact machine. Half an inch taller, it’s just over an inch wider and gets the biggest gain end-to-end with almost 3.5-inches more between the bumpers. The result is a back seat with plenty of space (legroom in particular), while trunk space is also up considerably.

BMW claims the X3 is now best-in-class for cargo volume, although the truth is somewhat less certain. At 19.4 cu-ft behind the rear seat and a total of 56.6 cu-ft, those numbers actually put the X3 at just about dead last when compared to rivals like the Audi Q5 or Acura RDX. The numbers require some analysis, however, as they’re calculated rather subjectively and aren’t just based on dimensions of the trunk space. A ruler and calculator are not required to see the space between the rear seats is up quite a bit and in our test there was enough space for luggage for four an extra-long-weekend road trip – which also revealed how nice a highway cruiser the X3 is, with a quiet cabin making it easy to hold a conversation with back seat passengers."


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QUOTE (omul vesel @ Oct 28 2011, 05:52 PM) *
Scout are tractiune permanenta, sau intervine spatele cand fata pierde aderenta?


Seri a punctat bine, eu vin cu o completare rectificativa numa : Scout are generatia III sau IV de Haldex, fara filtru la diferential, insa acesta este PRO-ACTIV si NU REACTIV ca precedentele (I si II).

Ce inseamna asta ?

"The fourth generation does not have the mechanical pump any more. The clutch is activated using the feeder pump.

Haldex Generation III and IV based all wheel drive system is proactive. The electronics can pre-tension the clutch and activate all wheel drive before a wheel slip occurs."

Proactive all wheel drive means that the differentials (clutches, etc.) can be locked by the ECU before a wheelspin actually occurs. The need of all wheel drive is determined in real-time, based on the information that is collected from different sensors (i.e. g-force sensor, accelerator pedal position, steering wheel positon sensor, etc.).


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post Oct 28 2011, 10:00 PM
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Recunosc ca nu am stat in X3-ul nou (l-am vazut doar din afara), dar mi-e greu sa cred ca a intrat in categorie cu celelatalte in privinta spatiului interior.

Intre modelele mentionate in topic as merge pe Audi-uri, Volvo-urile imi displac cu desavarsire (daca tot exista un fan-club trebuie sa fie si cineva contra), nu vreau neaparat sa argumentez optiunea mea (desi as putea), pur si simplu volvo (ala actual, nu un 760) mi se pare o optiune foarte nasoala, scumpa, si cu o politica de marketing la limita bunului simt.

Subaru e o optiune interesanta, dar cei 150 cp mi se par putini pentru outback... audi-urile vin cu 170 motoarele diesel de 2.0...

Alfa nu e din aceasta categorie, daca era clar printre favorite.

Iar Octavia... pai octavia are clar cel mai bun raport pret calitate. Si avand in vedere ca daca ajungi sa cumperi masina pentru "2-3 copii" probabil nu te mana pasiunea, ci nevoia, probabil este cea mai rationala alegere...

In concluzie:
Daca bugetul e nelimitat: Audi A6 Allroad 3.0 TDI quattro sau Mercedes R-class 350 CDI 4-matic
Daca bugetul e oarecum limitat, dar nu e sub 40.000, atunci A4 allroad 2.0 TDI quattro
In toate celelalte situatii: Skoda (sau octavia scout sau yeti)



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post Oct 28 2011, 10:31 PM
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Noual A4 AllRoad. End of Story. Este Subaru Outback de acum 5 ani. Zevlt, suplu, cu personalitate. Iar in plus fata de Subaru, are si tehnologie de virf.


Si in minus e dublu la pret pentru o masina mai mica. Nu merita.
Un Outback aici incepe la 23k$ in timp ce allroad trece fara probleme de 40k. Stiu ca e cu totul alta treaba dar diferenta de pret e prea mare.
Din pacate nenorocitii astia de la subaru au stricat outbackul care inainte era o masina misto (pentru clasa ei) si acum e un suv mare si nasol si fara motorul turbo, dar au facut asta cu un motiv: asta cere piata. Adica desi eu urasc outbackul de acum, ma gindesvc ca e plin d eoameni care il vor, ca atare outback e cistigator. Chiar daca eu personal nu pretuiesc toate calitatile lui.

XC70 e o masina ok doar ca consuma mult fara performante notabile si mai ales e exagerat de scump (evident fata de subaru, dar chiar si fata de audi, adica macar audi nu-i ford chinezesc).

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QUOTE (omul vesel @ Oct 28 2011, 04:52 PM) *
NU ma intereseaza break-urile 4x4, deoarece nu au garda la sol mai inaltata decat un break obisnuit. Initial m-am gandit si la ele dar ulterior le-am scos definitiv din ecuatie.
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Momentan nu pot sa-mi cumpar nici una din aceste masini, poate doar Scout. Dar in viitor voi tine cont de tot ce s-a scris aici.


Pai iei o Octavia 4x4 cu kit de drumuri grele, care o inalta, si te-ai facut cu un Scout low-cost, doar fara elementele de design specifice.
Si pe cat era Scout-ul deja cel mai ieftin din lista ta, asta devine acum gratis, dom'le smile.gif ... daca tot zici ca acum stai mai prost cu finantele


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CITAT(mircanu @ Oct 28 2011, 03:31 PM) *
omule vesel

ai zis ca intr-un timp ai cochetat la ideea de a cumpara una din aceste masini sau ceva din clasa asta. sa inteleg ca ai revenit la idee? vrei sa cumperi sau doar vrei sa afli parerile celor de pe forum?



Vreau sa aflu parerile celorlalti. Cu cat aflu mai multe cu atat voi sti ce alegere sa fac.

CITAT(Seri @ Oct 28 2011, 03:56 PM) *
Din aceasta lista Volvo si Skoda au sisteme Haldex cu ambreiaj multidisc controlat electronic. In mod normal au tractiune doar pe fata.
Audi, Alfa si Subaru au diferentiale mecanice, ambele punti primind tractiune tot timpul, de aici rezulta un consum mai ridicat decat la cele electronice.



Care sistem 4x4 e mai fiabil in timp?

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Acela care este complet mechanic si permanent, fara electromagneti, pompe, senzori si alte traznai care sa il activeze.


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post Oct 29 2011, 06:38 PM
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A4 allroad nu se merita ptr ca ofera putin spatiu, insuficient as zice ptr o familie de 4 membrii. arata f bine, finisata bine, are un caracter sportiv, insa pe scaune nu ai prea mult spatiu. mi se pare inghesuita la interior, mai ales pe locurile din spate.
in plus, chiar si SH din 2009, tot ai da in jur de 30.000 de euro pe ea. destul de scumpa.

Cred ca A6 Avant se merita mult mai mult. e o super masina. e mai ieftina decat un A4 allroad si iti ofera in plus tot confortul si spatiul de care ai nevoie, la un drum mai lung cu familia.
Daca vrei neaparat 4x4 atunci zic sa te orientezi la un suv.


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CITAT(mircanu @ Oct 29 2011, 05:38 PM) *
Daca vrei neaparat 4x4 atunci zic sa te orientezi la un suv.



Daca vroiam SUV nu mai deschideam acest subiect.
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