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post Oct 10 2006, 10:59 AM
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cu cine te certi? :angel:


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post Oct 10 2006, 01:37 PM
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Ce A3 ai vazut tu mare cit passatu? biggrin.gif golf ai vrut sa spui.



passat, A3, Golf, Octavia II, leon au platforma aproape comuna, fiind platforme cu motorul amplasat transversal si tractiune integrala haldex. Passatul anterior (B5) era pe platforma cu A4, avea motorul amplasat longitudinal si avea tractiune integrala torsen, noul passat e pe platforma comuna cu golful.

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E vorba de 2 versiuni ale aceleiasi platforme (platforma "A"):

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The A5 platform is designed to be more modular and flexible than previous A platforms. For the first time, a fully independent suspension will be present in all A platform vehicles. There are two versions of this platform (with larger variations expected in the future) according to VWAG's new internal platform nomenclature; PQ35 and PQ46.

PQ35 are the compact-size vehicles, and PQ46 is an enlarged version for mid-size vehicles. A common misconception is to call the PQ46 generation of the Passat the "B6" Passat, much like the Golf and Jetta's are called on in generation by "Mark." However, this is technically incorrect, since a B-platform's drivetrain would be setup longintudinally, versus the transverse setup of the A-platform. For example, the B6 Audi A4 is a true 6th generation B-platform car.

Current and Expected PQ35 platform cars:

* 2003 Volkswagen Touran
* 2004 Audi A3 II
* 2004 Volkswagen Caddy
* 2004 SEAT Altea
* 2004 VW Golf/Rabbit V
* 2005 Skoda Octavia II
* 2005 SEAT Toledo III
* 2006 VW Jetta/Vento/Bora V
* 2006 SEAT León II
* 2007 VW Eos
* 2007 Audi TT II
* 2008 Volkswagen Tiguan (compact crossover SUV)

Current PQ46 platform cars:

* 2006 Volkswagen Passat


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_A_platform


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post Oct 10 2006, 06:32 PM
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Ptiu drace, asa e ai dreptate, uitasem ca au fact chestia asta la noul passat.


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post Oct 11 2006, 12:15 PM
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BMW 525 cu sau fara X, pare un compromis bun.
Daca nu conteaza banii, Impulse ti-a dat raspunsul.


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post Oct 11 2006, 12:20 PM
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Sa-i raspund si lui Halba: de-aia pierde VAG la imagine si, implicit la vanzari in ultimul timp: in curand vom avea doar o platforma, de la Lupo la A8, cu diferite ampatamente si ecartamente. Va inventa VAG platforma modulara gen LEGO. Stati linistiti, nu mai e mult! Degeaba l-au dat afara pe Piech, ca spiritul lui tot bantuie! biggrin.gif


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post Oct 11 2006, 02:07 PM
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Pai platforma comuna economiseste bani... iar cat timp e buna (platforma A5 e chiar reusita, mai ales ca are posibilitatea de a fi cuplata la DSG) nu ar trebui sa fie probleme. Ca acest lucru afecteaza imaginea de marca a audi-ului asta e clar. Dar si Jaguar X-type e pe platforma cu Mondeo si tot marca premium e.

De altfel odata cu noile modele au scapat de platforma comuna Passat/A4. I


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post Oct 11 2006, 03:51 PM
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"vresiuni ale aceleiasi platforme" - hai sa vedem un pic ce inseamna asta.
cind aveai sasiu+caroserie era simplu: pentru fiecare caroserie se construia un sasiu. partea proasta: costurile
acum ce se pastreaza: caracteristicile de deformare, anumite elemente de imbinare, anumite cote numite "de referinta". partea proasta: imaginea.
avantajele sint majore din punct de vedere economic: nu se reproiecteza pentru fiecare masina, elementele pot fi delocalizate mai usor, exista deja conceptul de LEGO (se numesc module) - si din cauza lui iti trebuie 3-4 maini de lungimi diferite cind lucrezi la o masina noua biggrin.gif
depinde doar de viitorul proprietar daca accepta sau nu ca sub masina de 30.000 sa se afla elemente ce se regasesc pe masina de 20.000


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post Oct 12 2006, 02:38 AM
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Elementele ca elementele dar cind facii Saab, Alfa Romeo si Opel pe aceeasi platforma, masini teoretic foarte diferite... hm, parca nu mai poti spera in "spirit alfa" sau mai stiu eu ce. Jaguar.... da, da ce Jaguar vinde? vai de fundul lor. Motorul meu de pe mazda e si pe jaguar usor tunat... ti-ar conveni sa ai platforma de ford si motor de ford/mazda intr-o masina de 40k? Pai de ce sa platesc?


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post Oct 12 2006, 09:28 AM
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Ce-are platforma de mazda6/ford ? E proasta sau ce ? Era mai bine daca era o platforma proprie dar mai proasta ?

Ce platesti in plus pe jaguar ? sau pe audi ? Pai platesti imaginea, materialele folosite, si sa nu uitam de lufturi biggrin.gif. In plus motoarele de multe ori sunt "usor tunate", cutiile de viteza sunt mai bune, suspensiile sunt uneori mai inteligente, au anumite motorizari care nu sunt disponibile pe "ruda saraca", sau au disponibila tractiune integrala in timp ce ruda saraca e FWD only, etc.

Diferenta dintre opel si alfa romeo totusi e maricica, in afara de motoare nu au multe chestii in comun. Si acum sa fim seriosi... deja un Audi are un pret destul de piperat, nu cred ca ar conveni cuiva sa fie mai scump cu 10-15% dar "sa nu aiba nicio piesa VW".


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Pentru piele fina, masaj in scaun, alea-alea. Fitze si imagine. Cand pui Jaguarul in parcare, lumea zice ... aaaah, deci are!


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post Oct 12 2006, 09:43 AM
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Asa este, asta e motivul principal... tocmaio de aia zic prietenii noistri ca acura si lexus sint pseudo - premium. Pai acura si lexus nu are imagine in Ro, le confunda vecinulk cu Hyuday. Scopul masinilor astora pentru multi e sa arate ca ai bani, pai cum arati cu una care crede "tinta" ca e hyunday?


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post Oct 15 2006, 05:02 PM
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LLE : astia "e" tampiti ? exista 2.0TFSI quattro dar DOAR pe a4 ... pffff si da , daca vrei dsg nu merge cu quattro smile.gif


Ai sa fi uimit cum pe Passat-ul nou au reusit sa puna 4-Motion in combinatie cu DSG. Insa nu recomand!


2.0TFSI merge cu quattro pe A4 dar nu merge cu DSG ( care e numai pe motoare transversale). pe A3/Passat merge si cu quattro Haldex si cu DSG.

toate sunt masini bune. IS250 este insa in clasa cu serie3 si A4.


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post Oct 17 2006, 12:56 AM
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ce-i drept nu am stat sa o analizez bine din toate punctele de vedere insa :pet: as manca putin lexus pe paine ! biggrin.gif


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post Oct 18 2006, 11:26 AM
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Un lucru e sigur.. Lexus e o masina cu stil, multi zic ca se incearca a fi replica japonezilor la Mercedesul german.. E drept ca marca nu e foarte populara in Romania dar poate chiar asta ii da un plus de rafinament pentru ca nu oricine are asa ceva.. cineva zicea ca Lexus este confundat cu Hyundai.. pe mine unul nu m-ar ofensa o chestie dinasta.. pe ala care ar face confuzia l-as pune in masina si i-as arata ca e ceva mai mult decat il duce bibilica lui cu Hyundai cu tot..
Recomand cu toata caldura Lexus !!!

P.S. In Marea Britanie, Lexus este in general foarte popular printre tinerii businessmen care isi doresc o masina rafinata dar si cu un aer mai sportiv in acelasi timp.


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