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Catalin52405
Stie cineva unde gasesc manuale referitoare la tehnici de pilotaj ?
mike.omega
Pilotajul nu-l inveti din carti biggrin.gif
Mai bine faci o scoala de pilotaj(vezi topic mai jos) decat sa citesti cum se fac anumite lucruri beer.gif
Catalin52405
Un curs de pilotaj dureaza 3-4 zile, si la inceput nu faci decat teorie.
Asa ca nu inveti mare lucru dintr-un asemenea curs.
Dar, fiecare cu parerea lui. Cred ca asemenea discutii off-topic nu-si au sensul, asa ca propun sa revenim la topic. smile.gif
James Kilowatt
Ba poti invata cate ceva si din teorie. Trasa ideala, distributia maselor, etc.
E clar ca nu ajunge doar cursul, insa pentru pilotaj propriu-zis nu ajunge nici doar experienta. De exemplu in materie de trasa ideala, 99% dintre cei care nu au facut un curs pe bune ataca virajul prea devreme, indiferent de cati km au la activ.
mike.omega
Eu cand am fost la karting instructorul de acolo mi-a explicat ceea ce inseamna trasa ideala si eu i-am aratat cu degetul si apoi cu kartul pe circuit si omului nu-i venea sa creada ca unii stiu ce-i aia blink.gif

Si schimbul de mase il simti cel mai bine tot in masina... ca asa am tot citit si eu cum se face un derapaj controlat si cand a fost vorba sa-l fac m-am abtinut biggrin.gif

Parerea mea ramane aceeasi: lasa teroia si mergi cu un instructor in dreapta sa-ti explice omul unde gresesti si unde nu beer.gif
James Kilowatt
Pai mai exista si cei 1% talentati de la natura smile.gif

Eu la karting regulat am fost acum 15 ani, inainte sa am buletin, pe vremea impuscatului, cand benzina era la cartela. Ca sa invatam trasa ideala ne impingea instructorul pe circuit si zbiera la noi cand si unde ne viram biggrin.gif. Gaz aveam doar cand era cate o competitie sau cand aduceam de acasa biggrin.gif

Si e ceva mai greu sa ai instructorul in dreapta in kart biggrin.gif

Si eu raman la parerea mea, tre' sa si inveti principiile de undeva ( din carti sau de la un pilot adevarat) si trebuie sa le si aplici, altfel n-ai facut nici o sfaraiala....

Multi isi inchipuie ca daca stiu sa conduca cu scartait de pneuri sunt mari piloti si dau si sfaturi, insa pilotaj inseamna si tehnica de a profita la maxim de drum si de legile fizicii, nu doar nervi tari si mana sigura. E clar ca n-ai cum sa le simti citindu-le doar din carti, insa e bine sa stii macar la ce folosesc smile.gif
G e o r g e
trasa e aia de se pune pe umeri la ofiteri nu ? blink.gif


offtopic imi cer scuze nu m-am putut abtine biggrin.gif

cel mai bine capeti experienta la volan. inca ceva, o masina poate sa aibe sute de cai dar degeaba . cel mai elocvent exemplu este testul pe circuitul de viteza unde un masserati scoate timp mai prost ca un evo VIII, dar pe linie dreapta e cotat mult mai sus smile.gif cam cu 2 secunde mai sus smile.gif

asa ca power is nothing without control . merge mottoul asta si pentru masini si pentru soferi zic eu.
James Kilowatt
Hai sa nu exageram, depinde de tipul de cursa. Evo e tare la raliu, iar maseratti a castigat primele doua locuri la ultima cursa de 24 ore de saptamana trecuta, de la Spa-Francorchamps... Fiecare are punctele ei tari:)

Daca le pui sa alerge la paris-dakkar sau raliul tunisiei probabil ca le face si un aro biggrin.gif asta presupunand ca termina cursa vreuna dintre cele 3 biggrin.gif
G e o r g e
era vorba de circuitul de la nurburing , test prezentat in ams luna trecuta parca smile.gif

uite niste timpi:

Hockenheimring, short track = 2.6 km:

1:17.5 --- 120.774 km/h - Všth Mercedes SLK V58, 410 PS/1556 kg (sport auto 08/2005)
1:17.6 --- 120.619 km/h - Mercedes SL600
1:17.8 --- 120.308 km/h - Mercedes CLS 55 AMG, 476hp/1958kg (sport auto 01/2005)
1:17.882 120.182 km/H - MKB Mercedes C 32 AMG T

masini care costa muuuult mai mult decat saracul STI:)

1:15.245 124.394 km/h - Digit Power Subaru Impreza STI
1:17.9 --- 120.154 km/h - Subaru Impreza WRX Sti, 265hp/1487kg (sport auto 03/2005)
mike.omega
Era un topic fara Subaru si a aparut George :brave: :doh:
Logic.... in kart am mers singur insa pilotajul se invata pe etape si intr-o perioada relativ lunga de timp. Va rog eu fara comparatii sti vs restu lumii ca inchid topicul :bash:
James Kilowatt
Hai nu sari asa in sus, ca faceam doar o comparatie comparatie abstracta intre diverse stiluri de pilotaj. Raliu, circuit, etc biggrin.gif

La capitolul asta al pilotajului cred ca mai e un aspect ce ar putea fi discutat:

Setarea masinii, presupunand ca avem posibilitatea sa o facem. Si asta trebuie invatata si din teorie si din experienta. Arcuri/amortizoare, pneuri, elemente de aerodinamica, gestiune a motorului, rapoarte ale cutiei, etc. La nivel profesionist asta inseamna chiar mai multa munca decat cursa in sine si face de mai multe ori diferenta decat pilotajul propriu-zis.
G e o r g e
eu faceam o comparatie strict la puterea dezvoltata pusa pe circuit. subaru / evo VIII alege matale ca tot aia e smile.gif
mike.omega
Lasa postul cu EVO VIII, eu ma refeream la postul anterior interventiei mele :bash:
G e o r g e
laule ... ca am pus mercedesul primul tongue.gif

o sa pun timpii si pentru alte masini .
Atmosfer
Cel mai bine se invata practic nu teorie. (parerea mea)
Catalin52405
Sunt perfect de acord ca cel mai bine inveti practic, dar iti trebuie si un minim de teorie. Este adev. ca schimbarea de mase sau trasa ideala trebuie sa le simti, dar alte chestii precum alegerea pneurilor, etc se invata din carti.
Un curs de cateva zile nu este suficient pentru deprinderea tehnicilor, trebuie sa exersezi singur si sa te antrenezi constant.
Totodata depinde si de masina cu care te antrenezi: AWD, FWD, RWD.
Taff44803
QUOTE(G e o r g e)
trasa e aia de se pune pe umeri la ofiteri nu ? blink.gif


offtopic imi cer scuze nu m-am putut abtine biggrin.gif


Parca ii spune "tresa", nu trasa.
G e o r g e
parca faceam un spirit acolo blink.gif
Ionut45405
QUOTE(Atmosfer)
Cel mai bine se invata practic nu teorie. (parerea mea)

Mai era unu', filozof practicant...
Daca nu ai nik la baza poti practica pana te lipesti de toate gardurile si tot n-ai sa "prinzi" trasa. Si ce, scoala de soferi te invata sa conduci? Cum sa te invete aia de pilotaj mai mult decat notiuni de baza?! Dar unii s-au nascut piloti si nu le tre' scoala...
CruiSeR
Ok deci pana la urma daca vreau sa urmez un curs de pilotaj in Constanta spre exemplu, poate cineva sa-mi recomande vreun instructor?!
Jeff
"Double Clutching

First of all let's deal with the "double declutching " issue. This is really only the British term for 'double clutching' and makes reference in some way I suppose, to the fact that it is usually a downshifting maneuver in disengaging the clutch. The first stage in a full 'heel and toe' gear change is the simple use of double clutching. On its own this is a fairly simple little dance of the toes and it goes like this:

1. You are driving along in your TR, MG or whatever in third gear for example, approaching a corner and preparing to shift to second. You brake with the left edge of the ball of your right foot as usual.

2. Depressing the clutch with your left foot the shift lever passes through neutral as this happens you release the clutch pedal out again half way, thus setting the mechanics of the clutch assembly in motion again.

3. Then fully depress the clutch to complete your shift into second.

That my friends is a double declutching. It might sound odd in print but is quite simple in action. Practice it in the driveway, with the engine off so you don't hit anything. The aim is to keep the engine and the clutch plates turning at the same speed for the moment when they engage themselves. Your car will thank you especially if you have an older vehicle that lacks effective synchromesh.

Heal and Toe

The next step is a true "Heel and Toe". Naturally it goes without saying that this does not really involve your heel and toe! The name is just to make it harder to understand! (Actually it stems from a rather odd set up in the old Ferraris where the clutch and the brake pedals were switched-but that's another matter.) The technique involves combining the double clutch method with a second technique that keeps the engine RPM at a level to match the next gear to be engaged.

Everyone has had the experience of changing down into a lower gear and having the engine forced into screaming high revolutions. The other thing that happens is that the weight of the car suddenly shifts forward due to the 'engine braking effect'. If you happen to be going into a corner this can be enough to lighten the rear end and send the tail out on a visit to the front end! Here's where the heel and toe technique comes in. Unless you have a third leg you have to brake and 'blip' the gas with your right foot. The tricky part is timing it all right and keeping the brake pressure steady while you do the 'blipping'. A note of warning here. If you practice this in your driveway as I suggested for double clutching, some of the newer cars will flood as a result of the gas pedal movement (yes! even without the engine running). So if this happens just go off and have a cup of tea and let things settle for a while before heading off to try it in motion. Here we go:

1. Begin the downshift as before, using the left edge of the right foot to brake. Depress the clutch and shift into neutral.

2. Now, as you're half releasing the clutch, swing (or rock) the right edge and heel of your brake foot over onto the gas pedal and squeeze it gently to bring up the engine RPM. With experience you'll get to know how much is enough.

3. Then depress the clutch and complete the shift into second. The plates should have been spinning from your double clutching and the engine RPM, which dropped while you were shifting, was brought back up to the level needed by the next gear ratio. Everything just slipped together without a murmur, and there was no forward weight shift or unwanted acceleration of the car. Swing your right foot fully on to the gas, and you're off down the straight.

Confused? I was too, and I "sort of know" how to do it. Actually the brain is not capable of doing this at all-the method has to leave the area of your brain and become a fluid physical skill. You drive along and your hands and feet do it all, without you really being aware of it; it's a great technique to master!"

Sursa: http://www.triumphspitfire.com/healtoe.html
air_wolf
QUOTE(MR28673)
Gaz aveam doar cand era cate o competitie sau cand aduceam de acasa biggrin.gif


ai facut la palatul pionierilor? biggrin.gif nea tomita parca era... in fine.
teorie se face, mai ales daca vrei cu adevarat sa inveti sa pilotezi. poti avea 99,99% talent - asta inseamna "sa simti masina" - si sa iesi pe doi sau sa dai coltul.
primul lucru pe care trebuie sa-l inveti e mecanica, sa stii ce face fiecare componenta din masina ta si la ce serveste ea. pe linga asta mai ai fizica.
formula 1 de exemplu este ca un ceas elveian: schimbi viteza o zecime mai tirziu, pierzi 50 de zecimi in turul ala... la fel si kartingul si tot ce implica circuitul.
in raliu tehnica de pilotaj e alta, pentru ca rulezi pe alte suprafete, cu alta aderenta, alte suspensii etc.
primul lucru pe care trebuie sa-l inveti este sa frinezi cu stingul. nu incerca asta pe strada ca te pupa toti in fund!!!!!!!!!!! garantat!!!!!
glisada e printre ultimele pe care le inveti pentru ca poti sa te dai peste cap instant!!!!!!! dejantezi si s-a terminat. iar, difera mult tehnica de pe asfalt fata de cea de pe macadam.
Adrian81432
Stie cineva la ce foloseste frana cu piciorul stang..?? ca am auzit ca o folosesc pilotii de raliuri..
mike.omega
Franarea cu piciorul stang este folosita de pilotii de raliuri cu muuult antrenament si nu face decat sa schimbe raportul de mase intre cele 2 punti fara a scadea turatia la motor. Mai exact!
Un sofer normal inainte de a intra intr-o curba franeaza cu piciorul drept, fata se inclina(centrul de greutate se muta in fata) => aderenta pe fata si negociaza corect curba smile.gif
Un pilot profesionist inainte de a intra intr-o curba atinge usor cu piciorul stang pedala de frana si se petrece ce am scris mai sus dar in acelasi timp tine piciorul drept pe accerelatie si deci are mai multa putere si mai repede la iesirea din curba :angel:

Eu am incercat si nu mi-a iesit blush.gif
guerilla
incearca varf-calcai si lasa prostiile cu stangu biggrin.gif
ala e doar pt ambreiaj sau pentru tinut de pomana.
vrei sa mergi mai repede pe viraje, foloseste piciorul drept pe frana si acceleratie concomitent.
stangu pe frana poate insemna dinti rupti, arcada sparta sau coliziune cu alt vehicul/pom/om. nu incercati stangu pe frana pe drumuri publice!!!!

LE. cand aveti licenta de pilot raliuri sau o vasta experienta si antrenament/practica, puteti folosi stangul pe frana. pana atunci vedeti mai sus.
Adrian81432
guerilla nu te-am inteles.. cum sa tii picioru drept pe frana si acceleratie concomitent????
guerilla
uite asa ca in imaginea de mai jos.


sper ca ai inteles sfatul cu stangu pe frana blush.gif
modul in care piciorul stang este invatat sa apese pe pedala de ambreiaj, poate fi extrem de brutal pentru frana.
Adrian81432
am inteles acum... dar nu cred ca poate nimeni sa faca ce zici tu.
adica se poate de fapt dar nu ai eficienta ca nu poti controla pedalele simultan (adica sa fie si franarea eficienta si accelerarea)
ai incercat asa ceva vreodata??? blink.gif
si o intrebare offtopic: De ce nu-mi apare poza?? ca i-am dat browse acolo si-am pus una
guerilla
da, am incercat, merge destul de bine. mai greu la inceput, reusita depinzand si de marimea piciorului si de distanta dintre pedale.

off topic - poza tre sa aiba maxim 100kb, 400x400. extensie gif, jpg sau jpeg.
mike.omega
Da, dar pentru ce zici tu aici Guerilla iti trebuie o distanta minima intre pedale, distanta pe care o gasesti mai greu la masinile de strada biggrin.gif Mai ales ca sunt destui care isi schimba pedalele si isi pun unele duble ca suprafata si raman 2 cm intre frana si gaz :bash: blink.gif

Deci.... atentie mare la distanta dintre pedale si marimea piciorului smile.gif
air_wolf
biggrin.gif cind mergem la o tura pe AMC? biggrin.gif
mike.omega
Te lasa si cu titiu? Are loc? tongue.gif
Ah! Sa nu uit! ce am scris mai sus impreuna cu Guerilla se aplica in special la FWD! Nu se recomanda la automobilele cu RWD, fuge spatele biggrin.gif
guerilla
pai daca intri tu cu toyota ta pe AMC se duce naibii asfaltul alora laugh.gif
air_wolf
biggrin.gif ne dam cu karturile, 60 de lei 10 minute. si e suficient, hai maxim 20 de minute. va anunt de pe acum ca sint lent rau de tot sad.gif
si la Sugativa mea am de lucru gramada, pina sa iasa pe sosea. da' promit sa va plimb pe toti odata biggrin.gif
Adrian81432
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7JQvCEOHXo...ted&search=
Uitati-va la asta biggrin.gif Ati incercat intoarcerea la 360 de grade???
Baby Blues
Mie imi iese dar numai la 215-235 de grade si numai pe zapada biggrin.gif Cine ar incerca asa ceva cu masina lui? blink.gif Eu nu!
mike.omega
Cu FWD 180 de grade pe zapada e simplu, mai incolo intervine tehnica si conditiile in care se executa manevra biggrin.gif
Horia49540
cu Lada am facut de cel putin 10 ori 180 grade cu frana de mana pe asfalt si piatra cubica
si de cateva ori pe zapada, dar acolo e chiar prea simplu
si iar pe zapada peste 360 grade cu acceleratia
pe asfalt doar vreo 90 grade cu acceleratia, caci chinui rau de tot calutii si cauciucurile, de fapt pe un asfalt foarte aderent nici nu cred ca poate 360 din acceleratie, doar sa fii criminal :bandit:
power-slide pe asfalt cu noroi, cand a inceput "din intamplare" si a continuat "de placere"
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Adrian81432
pt cine vrea sa vada driftinguri si varf calcai sa caute Drift Bible pe dc. sau sa cumpere cd original 16 euro tongue.gif... e foarte tare dar doar pt RWD-uri. Din ce am aflat 360 e imposibil cu fwd in conditii de aderenta normale. sad.gif
air_wolf
QUOTE(Adrian81432)
pt cine vrea sa vada driftinguri si varf calcai sa caute Drift Bible pe dc. sau sa cumpere cd original 16 euro tongue.gif... e foarte tare dar doar pt RWD-uri. Din ce am aflat 360 e imposibil cu fwd in conditii de aderenta normale. sad.gif


cu frina de mina faci si cu fata, dar trebuie suplimentat cu accelerare si volan. cu rwd e mai simplu. cu o masina usoara de spate faci si creculete cu un fwd smile.gif
HalbaSus
QUOTE(air_wolf)
QUOTE(Adrian81432)
pt cine vrea sa vada driftinguri si varf calcai sa caute Drift Bible pe dc. sau sa cumpere cd original 16 euro tongue.gif... e foarte tare dar doar pt RWD-uri. Din ce am aflat 360 e imposibil cu fwd in conditii de aderenta normale. sad.gif


cu frina de mina faci si cu fata, dar trebuie suplimentat cu accelerare si volan. cu rwd e mai simplu. cu o masina usoara de spate faci si creculete cu un fwd smile.gif


Mie mi-a iesit din prima biggrin.gif Intram in parcarea unui mall si parcarea tocmai fusese reasfaltata drept urmare nu era nici urma de masina pe raza de 100 de metri... cand am vazut asa minune nu m-am putut abtine, aveam cam 40 la ora am tras de volan si de frana de mana... mi-a iesit perfect, am facut 360 de grade (ma rog, poate erau 350 sau 340 oricum am ajuns cu botul in aceasi directie de mers) cand masina s-a oprit din invartit eram in a doua am calcat acceleratia si am mers mai departe.
Masina era cea actuala, A4 FWD, gume de 225/17 (care au scartait intens pe durata manevrei :angel: )
Baby Blues
Frumos e si cu spatele! Accelerezi, iei de volan si cuplezi frana de mana. De aici incolo daca e campul liber , poti face orice cu volanul si acceleratia. biggrin.gif De abia astept zapada. biggrin.gif
Mariustom
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