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Lucas
Salut. Am fost cu un sofer profesionist. Si cand zic profesioniast ma refer ca la viata lui are catre 1 mil km condusi. In fine. NU asta e important. important e ca la o curba mai stransa am intrat in ea cu ambreajul apasat la care el m-a intrebat daca vreau sa ma rastorn. Si mi-a explicat ca daca motorul e decuplat(adica ambrreajul e apasat) masina nu are aceeasi stabilitate ca si cum ar avea daca ar fi cuplat(intr-o viteza, cu ambreajul neapasat). Nu l-am crezut. Am mers in poligon si am atacat aceeasi curba cu ambreajul apasat si cu ambreajul neapasat. Uimire pentru mine. Avea dreptate. Masina parca fuge de sub control pe la mijlocul curbei si nici stabilitate nu are. Ruliul este evident mai mare. Si inca ceva mi-a explicat. Ca daca mai merg asa, daca prind ulei pe drum sau polei in curbe, la iesire din curbe, atunci cand accelerezi, la lasarea ambreajului s-ar putea sa scap masina de sub control fiindca poate ma scap cu acceleratia sau las mai brusc ambreajul iar atunci forta distribuita este mai mare si s-ar putea sa patineze putin in conditii de aderenta scazuta. Fiindca sunt incepator vreau sa va intreb cum sa iau curbele? Mi-a explicat el ca inainte de curba sa bag intr-o viteza mai mica, dar este foarte neplacut efectul franei de motor. Cum pot sa reduc sau sa elimin efectul acesta neplacut? Mai ales daca este un drum in munti si trebuie sa merg 2 ore. 2 ore daca la tot la 1 minut ma zgaltaie in masina frana de motor cred ca atunci cand ajung la destinatie sunt cu nervii la pamant. Exista o modalitate prin care sa pot anihila sau reduce discomfortul franei de motor? Sau altcumva se iau curbele? Va rog sa ma ajutati. Va reamintesc ca sunt incepator. Poate sunt stupide intrebarile acestea dar aceasta e nelamurirea mea. Va rog ajutati-ma. Merci anticipat de raspunsuri
Lucas
Aduc o completare. Cand am intrebat daca exista o modalitate prin care sa anihilez sau sa reduc efectul franei de motor nu m-am referit la partea mecanica a masinii. Adica sa inlocuiesc eu ceva la masina si sa nu mai existe efectul acela. NU stiu daca este posibil si nici nu ma intereseaza. M-am referit la o tehnica de condus prin care sa anihilez sau sa reduc efectul. Sunt constient ca iarna e foarte folositoare frana de motor.
Nazareno Gabrielli
Cand am vazut titulul topicului cerdeam ca te referi la ce-i trebuie unei masini pentru a fi stabila intr-o curba. Acum am citit tot si am inteles ca tu te referi la stilul de condus.

Sa o luam cu inceputul. Pentru ca esti incepator eu iti recomand ca pana ce faci catevii mii sa abordezi curbele usor, ca sa nu-ti dea prea mari batai de cap. Pe urma, o sa cunosti masina si o sa poti sa eviti frana de motor.

Sa-ti descriu o situatie:
Inainte sa intri in curba, sa zicem ca esti in treapta a cincea si ai 100km/h, reduci prin frana sau ridicand piciorul de pe acceleratie din timp pana la 60-80kmk/h, o viteza la care poti sa iei curba usor. La jumatatea curbei, bagi in treapta a patra de viteza si accelerezi. Prin aceasta procedura o sa ai si mai mare stabilitate si iesi usor din curba fara sa faci frana de motor.
Frana de motor inrta in actiune cand ai peste 80 (acum depinde si de masina) si bagi in viteza a patra. Proceduara asta e buna pe carosabil, umed sau zapada.
Sau, Doamne fereste, atunci cand trebuie sa eviti un accident. Ai 90 la ora si bagi intr-a doua. Cutia de viteze se sparge insa opresti masina repede. Asta numai in situatiile limita.
Gica-6
Da, e clar ca masina e bine sa stea in viteza la abordarea curbelor, ma refer in special la condusul un pic mai sportiv, asa ca e bine ca te-ai lamurit ca nu e bine sa calci ambreajul.

Nu pricep exact de ce trebuie sa pui frana de motor, mai ales acum ca a venit vremea frumoasa, sfatul meu este sa lasi masina in treapta de vit. adecvata si sa incetinesti putin doar din frana (fara sa apesi si ambreiajul) inainte de curba. In orice caz, daca esti incepator cum spui, ia-o incetul cu incetul, pana incepi cu adevarat sa simti masina. Observ ca f. multe accidente se produc datorita pierderii controlului in curbe si pe carosabil uscat, dar mai ales umed.

Deci, in conditii de aderenta scazuta e mai bine sa nu mergi "la limita", adica sa adaptezi viteza, astfel incat sa nu trebuiasca sa franezi brusc (sau sa folosesti prea des frana de motor care spui ca e deranjanta). Apropos, eu o folosesc f. mult, dar cu grija si nu ajung cu nervii la pamant. Si eu ma consider rapid, adica numar pe degete cate masini ma depasesc la un drum Buc.- Baia Mare, insa cel mai important e sa faci drumul in siguranta.
Succese !
Watcher
Mircea, eu ii propun o mica variatie la ce ai spus tu, tinand cont ca este incepator: sa schimbe viteza in jos inainte sa ia curba, si sa accelereze abia de la jumatate incolo. E clar ca doar de la jumatate se accelereaza, dar asa are avantajul ca schimba viteza in linie dreapta, nu cand trebuie sa aiba grija si de volan smile.gif.

Apropos de calcarea ambreiajului: este un efect 'pervers' al scoli ide soferi, unde instructorii te freaca la cap sa nu se simta nici o zgaltaiala in mers sau sa nu opresti motorul "CA TE PICA LA EXAMEN" si atunci ajungi sa apesi ambreiajul continuu, la fiecare frana, la fiecare trecere peste linia de tramvai, curba, fluture pe care il vezi ,etc...

Eu am invatat sa conduc cu tata inainte de scoala de soferi. Cand am terminat si am luat carnetul am constatat ca faceam exact toate chestiile astea cu ambreiajul. Si m-am oprit. Deci: LUCIAN, in afara de treapta 1 (si nici acolo mereu) nu e nevoie sa apesi ambreiajul cand franezi. Uneori este chiar rau sa apesi ambreiajul cand franezi, si anume cand cobori o panta cu frana de motor. Asa ca foloseste ambreiajul doar cand vrei s schimbi viteza smile.gif
stefan_ieu
Ce nu inteleg eu este de ce sa nu schimbe viteza MEREU inainte de curba? De ce spui Mircea ca trebuie sa schimbe viteza la mijlocul curbei? Nu e vorba de faptul ca ai de facut 2 lucruiri de-odata. Dar, calcand ambreiajul, ajungi in situatia descrisa de Lucian si "incalci" recomandarea soferului profesionist.

BTW, super topicul. Poate ar trebui transformat in "tips & triks de la soferi profesionisti" si sa aflam astfel tot felul de chichite de-astea. Eu nu calc ambreiajul in curba, dar nu stiam (nu m-am gandit niciodata sa fac comparatia) ca masina e mai putin stabila in cazul asta.


PS: Cu calcatul ambreiajului instructorii in invata asa pe elevi ca sa nu uite sa il calce cand se opresc. In general incepatorii au niste "scenarii/repere" standard pe care la urmeaza in divese situatii si le e foarte greu sa aplice reguli de genul : "si cand simti ca... , si cand crezi ca ai loc.... ,etc". De exemplu mie mi-a trebuie o saptamana sa ii explic neveste-mii (care e incepatoare) ca la o curba de 90de grade, daca o ia mai cu viteza cand nu are trecere de pietoni sau alte chestii, sa nu treaca in treapta 2 ci in treapta 3 ca sa nu ma mai streseze cu frana de motor. Ea nu, si nu, ca la scoala i-a spus ca la orice curba de 90 de grade trebuie sa bage in treapta a doua.
Watcher
QUOTE(stefan_ieu)
BTW, super topicul. Poate ar trebui transformat in "tips & triks de la soferi profesionisti"

Sustin aceasta propunere smile.gif
QUOTE(stefan_ieu)
e foarte greu sa aplice reguli de genul : "si cand simti ca... , si cand crezi ca ai loc.... ,etc".

Eu am patit-o invers la scoala: "dai drumul la ambreiaj incet incet si CAND SIMTI ca cupleaza, atunci accelerezi". Cine sa simta masina de scoala dupa 2?

Apropos de sfaturi: intotdeauna peste liniile de cale ferata se trece cu motorul cuplat si in treapta 2 maxim. Adica se da drumul la ambreiaj inainte sa atingem liniile. Ma refer aici la trecerile unde trebuie sa incetinesti si sa te asiguri, nu la cele peste care se trece cu 80 la ora smile.gif
Alecs
si inca un tip de la mine: jucati need for speed.. invatati multe despre comportamentul masinilor.. pe mine m-a ajutat foarte mult, no kidding
HalbaSus
Efectul "neplacut" al franei de motor e "neplacut" doar daca retrogradarea e brusca. Ex: Mergi cu masina cu 80 in a 3-a si cuplezi a 2-a... masina va face ca tractoru, frana de motor puternica, rupe cutia, etc... Daca ai o turatie la care "nu moare motorul" nu mai retrograda... e necesara retrogradarea doar daca ar muri motorul daca nu ai mai apasa acceleratia (ex: esti in a 4-a la 80 si ai 1800 de ture... bagi a 3-a si motorul o sa urce un pic in ture si o sa franeze putin, dar efectul nu va fi brutal)
Laura
nu prea inteleg treaba cu schimbatul vitezei intr-o treapta inferioara... blink.gif Poate doar logic, daca ai redus putin viteza, masina poate merge subturata si nu mai ai aceeasi viteza de abordare a curbei... poate...

Cat priveste scoala de soferi, eu am invatat ca atunci can franz sa nu apas pedala de ambreiaj. am inteles ca franarea este mai buna, mai eficienta decat cu ambreiajul calca. stie cineva ceva.

Cat priveste trecerile de cale ferata, eu stiu ca cel mai bine, tinand cont de faptul ca maj. sunt bombardate, nu trebuie sa le treci cu rotile franate, la fel si la gropi, ci mai bine scoti masina din viteza si o treci asa, usurel...

Oare stiu bine ce stiu?

Cert este ca te rog sa nu iei curbele "artistic" ci asa cum te simti tu mai sigur. Si nu uita ca viteza cu care trebuie sa mergi este cea la care poti controla masina in orice conditie, chiar daca pentru unii este prea mica.

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Watcher
Ca sa poti accelera in general retrogradezi, pentru a avea reprize bune. Asa cum a spus si Halba conteaza si turatia la care esti: daca mergi cu 5000rpm si franezi la 3000 nu ai nevoie sa mai retrogradezi.

La gropi am mai auzit sa decuplezi dar la calea ferata eu zic ca este de preferat sa iti zdruncine un pic cutia decat sa opresti motorul pe linie cand vine trenul whistling.gif
Laura
asta pentru cei cu turometru, noi, muritorii de rand, dupa ureche, tata, ca altceva... wacko.gif

daca e scoasa din viteza nu are cum sa-ti moara motorul pe calea ferata, nu? :wtf:
Alecs
si mai e ceva.. pe calea ferata sa nu schimbi viteza ca poate sa ti se blocheze cutia
Laura
de ce sa se blocheze, asa, pur si simplu?

nu m-am gandit la asta, dar e cam naspa :bash:
Alecs
nu stiu de ce sa se blocheze, dar asa mi-a spus instructorul.. si am incredere in el ca e priceput omul
Laura
cu instructorii .... mai bine nu.... cand am terminat scoala de soferi eu nu stiam sa conduc. instructorul meu ma ducea cu masina pe centura sa vada "femei" :ban: jos instructorii
Alecs
nu are rost sa generalizezi.. eu prima data facusem cu unul din asta cum zici tu si am plecat la cel din urma cu care facuse un prieten cu 2 ani in urma si stiam ca e meserias
HalbaSus
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nu prea inteleg treaba cu schimbatul vitezei intr-o treapta inferioara... blink Poate doar logic, daca ai redus putin viteza, masina poate merge subturata si nu mai ai aceeasi viteza de abordare a curbei... poate...


Pai acest retrogradat de viteza se numeste frana de motor, e foarte util pe drumuri alunecoase, virajate, pe ploaie, si in general cand exista riscul patinarii/deraparii. Explicatia ar fi urmatoarea (de dragul simplitatii o sa presupun ca masina nu are ABS):

Cand apesi frana rotile se blocheaza, daca rotile se blocheaza masina nu mai poate fi controlata (degeaba misti de volan), in conditii de gheata, carosabil umed, etc... masina va fi imposibil de controlat si ai sanse mari sa ajungi in copaci. (acesta este si motivul pt care nu se franeaza in curba (ci eventual inainte de intrarea in curba) masina ar continua traiectoria rectilinie si nu ar mai lua curba (indiferent ce faci cu volanul))

"Frana de motor" apeleaza la rezistenta mecanica a motorului pentru a incetini masina (fara a bloca rotile): procedura este urmatoarea: se cupleaza o viteza inferioara si se elibereaza ambreajul, vei observa ca masina incetineste puternic si turatia creste, daca ai avut si inainte o turatie ridicata atunci se va simti si o smucitura a masinii si cutia de viteze poate "protesta" iar incetinirea va fi mult mai brutala. Avantajul franei de motor e faptul ca nu se blocheaza rotile si ai control perfect al masinii... pt mai multe detalii despre frana de motor citeste topicul :
http://www.masini.ro/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2453

Daca ai ABS, rotile nu se mai blocheaza (poti controla masina si in timpul franarii), dar frana de motor inca tot prezinta numeroase avantaje.
Laura
crede-ma, l-am citit, de aceea imi pare inutila discutia legata de frana de motor. cat priveste modul de abordare al curbelor, am aflat si eu cum se face... si de ce tre` sa faci frana de motor vara?

parerea mea, ca nu are rost. prea complicat, si masina mea e prea simpla. biggrin.gif
Watcher
Discutia asta incepuse bine dar s-a cam dus de rapa wink.gif
Nu e obligatoriu sa fac frana de motor niciodata. Stai linistita biggrin.gif
Ce e greu? Sa retrogradezi sau sa nu accelerezi pana la jumatatea curbei?

@masina simpla:Daca iti stii masina nu ai nevoie de turometru ca spui ca e turata sau nu. Nu interesaza 3257 rpm vs 3144...
tot @masina simpla: cu atat mai mult e nevoie de frana de motor, ca nu ai ABS, ESP, etc...
HalbaSus
Pai si vara poate ploua, si nu prea stiu cum poti cobori niste serpentine mai serioase fara frana de motor. Ori risti sa derapezi in orice moment ori iti distrugi placutele de frana (asta in caz ca ai ABS, in caz contrar ambele). Sa nu intelegi ca frana de motor e obligatorie inaintea oricarei curbe, sunt curbe care se pot lua cu acceleratia la podea si n-o sa patesti nimic, dar pe serpentine, drumuri de munte, curbe stramte... cam are rost frana de motor...

Daca ai o masina cu ABS nu e obligatoriu sa folosesti frana de motor (nici maica-mea nici nevasta-mea nu folosesc asa ceva)...

Ah, uitasem sa spun, frana de motor in curba are inca un avantaj (pt condus sportiv) cand accelerezi la iesirea din curba avand o turatie mai mare poti iesi mai repede din curba (desigur, nu incercati asta pe drum alunecos ca s-ar putea sa patinati ca si cum ati porni de pe loc smile.gif)
Laura
k! am inteles, cert este ca e prima data cand aud varianta asta. :wtf:
Gica-6
QUOTE(Halba-2)
Daca ai o masina cu ABS nu e obligatoriu sa folosesti frana de motor (nici maica-mea nici nevasta-mea nu folosesc asa ceva)...


Nu e obligatoriu, dar e indicat. Frana de motor e prietena mea (si am ABS la masina), in primul rand ca imi reduce consumul (s-a mai tot discutat de asta) si plus ca asa cum spui si tu ma ajuta sa am cuplu mai bun la iesiri din curbe, mai ales pe serpentine, nu sacai atat frana ...etc.
Watcher
Cred totusi ca s-a strecurat o idee gresita: pai da ce franele cu ABS nu apasa tot pe placutele de frana? Si daca raspunsul e DA, atunci la coborarea pantelor prelungite si la serpentine nu te ajuta ABSul ci tot frana de motor.

Sau daca ai frane de ceramica. AMS are un test destul de complex pentru frane, care incheie o zi de franari la cald, rece, ud, uscat, miu-split, etc. cu o coborare cu frana de serviciu pe un masiv muntos GlockX^%#$-something parca. Cand se ajunge jos se mai testeaza odata franele.

Singurul care a avut rezultate remarcabile a fost 911 cu frane de ceramica. Si evident ca toate masinile aveau ABS. Deci vreau sa spun ca se incalzesc placutele , scazand astfel capacitatea de a frana CHIAR daca ai ABS. Astfel, la drumuri montane frana de motor e imperioasa smile.gif

Chiar am un coleg care ne-a sunat de pe Trasnfagarasan sa intrebe de ce miros franele a ars wink.gif
HalbaSus
scuze daca s-a inteles ca nu uzezi placutele. ideea era ca fara ABS s-ar putea sa nu mai apuci sa simti mirosul de placute... adica derapezi in curbe...
Lucas
Frana de motor inrta in actiune cand ai peste 80 (acum depinde si de masina) si bagi in viteza a patra. Proceduara asta e buna pe carosabil, umed sau zapada.

Asa ai spus Mircea. Sunt de acord cu tine ca la unele masini numai atunci intra. Eu am un Tico. La mine si daca bag din a 3-a in a 2-a am frana de motor. Acuma dupa toate opiniile vazute, si care le respect(pe fiecare), am ajuns la o concluzie. Deci cel mai bine in abordarea unei curbe este sa schimbi inainte de curba intr-o viteza mai mica si asa sa iau curba. Aici ma refer la curbe gen ac de par. Deci ce concluzie am tras : inainte de curba sa franez pana nu este turat motorul, sa schimb intr-o treapta inferioara si asa sa intru in curba. Si alta concluzie. Aceasta e legata de diminuarea "discomfortului" franei de motor. Sa retrogradez doar atunci cand e subturat motorul si atunci nu va fii asa puternica frana de motor. Am dedus bine? Asa trebuie sa abordez curbele si sa diminuez efectul franei de motor? Va rog sa va spuneti opiniile. Asa trebuie sa fac sau altcumva? M-am invatat prost la scoala de soferi. Instructorul m-a invatat ca trebuie sa apas ambreajul inainte de curbe mai stranse. Si asa am crezut ca e bine pana am mers cu persoana respectiva si mi-a spus ca este total gresit. Acuma trebuie sa ma invat din nou. Dar mai bine invat acuma decat mai incolo cand deja mi-a intrat in reflex. Si acuma mi-a intrat in reflex sa fac asa dar ma gandesc ca mai bine invat cum e corect acuma, cand inca se poate repara greseala mai usor decat mai incolo cand e mult mai greu. Merci mult de pareri si mai astept cu nerabdare parerile voastre in continuare despre concluziile mele de mai sus.
Alex-F1
QUOTE(Alecs)
si inca un tip de la mine: jucati need for speed.. invatati multe despre comportamentul masinilor.. pe mine m-a ajutat foarte mult, no kidding


Da' Grand Prix 3 sau Grand Prix 4 nu sunt bune? :bash: biggrin.gif Asa e, ai dreptate Alecs.....intr-un fel......dar nu stiu daca faza asta tine la toata lumea blush.gif Si io am jucat si inca joc pe calculator DOAR jocuri de Formula 1 si intr-adevar nu poti decat sa inveti din asa ceva, dar totusi ramane ca fizica (dinamica) masinii s-o simtim doar "live", pe strada......asta pana cand n-o sa ne putem cumpara si noi acasa simulatoare complete, care se cupleaza cu jocul de pe calculator si.....gata, esti ca-n masina pe strada, cu forte centrifuge, de franare, simti hop-urile/gropile drumului etc....tot tacamul blink.gif Cred ca atunci n-o sa mai ies din casa, o sa stau doar in simulator.....acolo mananc, acolo dorm, acolo.... :bash: beer.gif Hai ca mai vorbim!

Hai pa
ALEX
Alecs
n-am zis ca devii schumacher jucand jocuri pe calculator.. poate m-am exprimat gresit.. sa-ti dau un exemplu.. mi-am dat seama de utilitatea jocurilor cand, abia imi luasem permisul (in prima zi!), ploua afara si m-am bagat pe niste serpentine.. aveam destula viteza (eram oarecum inconstient) si intr-o curba, mi-a derapat spatele.. ei bine, din reflex am tras din volan si am redresat masina fara sa se intample nimic. Acum zi-mi tu, nu e datorita nfs-ului? biggrin.gif
Nazareno Gabrielli
QUOTE(Lucian42192)
Asa ai spus Mircea. Sunt de acord cu tine ca la unele masini numai atunci intra. Eu am un Tico. La mine si daca bag din a 3-a in a 2-a am frana de motor.
Deci cel mai bine in abordarea unei curbe este sa schimbi inainte de curba intr-o viteza mai mica si asa sa iau curba. Aici ma refer la curbe gen ac de par. Deci ce concluzie am tras : inainte de curba sa franez pana nu este turat motorul, sa schimb intr-o treapta inferioara si asa sa intru in curba. Si alta concluzie


Bai nene. Frana de motor faci si din a cincea in a patra si din a 2 in a 3. Efectul este acelasi.


Lasa acele de par, ca acolo e diferit. Profesionistii ciupesc frana de mana in cazul asta. Soferii normali reduc foarte mult si le iau cu viteza ff mica ca sa nu existe nici un risc. Asa iti recomand si tie. Reduci mult, bagi a doua si iei acul de par.


Acum referitor la frana de motor in curbe. Tot respectul pentru toti care si-au spus pararea. Fiecare are stilul lui de condus, care depinde de multe...masina, firea fiecaruia, aptitidini...etc

Cu o masina puternica, daca vrei sa iei curbele cu viteza poti sa o controlezi numai din cutie, cu frana de motor. Acum nu vreau sa fiu inteles gresit. Nu dau lectii nimanui si
nici nu recomand asta nimanui, si in nici un caz incepatorilor.....
De obicei nu fac asa, pentru ca iti trebuie masina puternica, stabila si cu cutie manuala pentru asa ceva. Sau daca o fac, o fac la viteze mai mici. adica intru cu o suta in curba si faca frana de motor.
Repet, asta nu este o proceduta strandard si depinde de masina si de complexitatea curbei. Acolo unde trebuie pui sanatos piciorul frana din timp, ca e mai sigur.
rafaello5
Stilul tau de condus este cam de WCTC.Daca te pricepi, treabat ta dar nu recomand asta la nimeni.Apropo de stilul tau de condus asa au murit 2 persoane nevinovate lovite vineri de un Passat care il incerca si care nu a putut sa mai intre in curba si a intrat pe contra sens si a ucis 2 pers dintr-o Dacie.
Lucian cel mai bien ar trebui sa stii ca nu este bine sa scoti din viteza, pentru ca asa nu mai poti sa contolezi masina in caz de incercare de evitare ca pana o bagi tu in viteza il lovesti pe ala.La fel cu apasatul ambreiajului , cred ce cel mai indicat ar fi ptr tine sa reduci viteza franand si sa schimbi intr-o viteza inferioara daca se impune sau sa ramai in viteza respectiva daca iti permite turatia masinii.
Ceea ce ai spu la inceput ca masina nu este stabila daca apesi ambreiajul nu cred ca este adevarat.Cum sa fie sau sa nu fie stabila daca apesi sau nu ambreiajul!!Cred ca asta este nestiinta.Conteaza dinamica masinii si traiectori pe care o are, mai conteaza si ce putere are masina in momentul respectiv pentru a accelera.Cred ca amicul tau profesionist a vrut sa zica ca atunci cand esti in curba si masina este intro anumita viteza este mai usor de manevrat nu ca poti pierde controlul masinii in conditii de aderenta scazuta. :angel:
Oricum iti recomand, ca mai toti, sa inveti mai intai reactiile masinii si cum se comporta ea in astfel de conditii ca sa poti sa o conduci asa cum iti doresti.
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rafaello5
Si inca ceva.Daca vrei sa vezi cum se comporta o masina in astfel de conditii iti recomand jocurile pe compute sau PS2 gen raliuri dar care sunt simulatoare nu cum au zis mai devreme cineva NFS Underground care NU este un simulator!!!
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Nazareno Gabrielli
QUOTE(Virgil28674)
Stilul tau de condus este cam de WCTC.Daca te pricepi, treabat ta dar nu recomand asta la nimeni.


Vorbeam de frana de motor in curba, iar eu am expus o modalitate de abordare, care este posibila, in principiu, cu o masina puternica. Nici nu fac asta si nici nu recomand nimanui asa ceva.
Conduceti cum e mai sigur!!!!
sorin37756
Referitor la sfatul solicitat, in calitate de sofer, -nu tocmai incepator, chiar daca moderatorii pun calificative in f. de nr. de postari-, iti recomand sa-l dai naibii de condus sportiv! Ce ai de dovedit si cui? In curbe scoate din viteza anicipat si reintri in a doua jumatate a curbei, in treapta adecvata. Distanta de la care sa scoti din viteza tine de bun simt, nu de experienta. Viata si banii tai sunt chestii mai importante decat 10 minute in minus pana la revederea parintilor etc. Unii spun ca scotand din viteza nu mai ai timp sa reactionezi. La ce? Mai adaug: cel din spate sa-si vada de masina lui, pe a ta o conduci tu cum vrei, mai ales pe banda din dreapta. Apoi daca nu ai masini in fata si in spate poti recupera din pierderea de viteza luand curba cat mai aproape de centrul ei. Daca totusi te alerga un iepure trebuie sa iei curba cat mai din timp, deci te incadrezi cat mai departe de centrul curbei ca sa poti obtine o traiectorie pe un cerc cu raza mai mare.
Watcher
Sfatul cu condusul sportiv e bun, mai ales pentru incepatori, DAR de ce sa scoata din viteza??? La ce bun? Cand primul post in threadul asta spune ca testand se ia curba mai rau cu motorul decuplat, cand toti soferii merg cu motorul cuplat, pentru ce sa mergi cu el decuplat, mai ales in traseu montan?

Inca odata: motorul se tine cuplat cat mai mult timp IN MERS, deci ambreiajul este de dorit a se folosi cat mai putin.Te ajuta la frana de motor, la a avea tot timpul motorul la dispozitie, fara a fi nevoie sa mai faci o manevra suplimentara (sa bagi in viteza).

Intrebarea 'la ce sa reactionezi' arata o oarecare lipsa de viziune (parerea mea): nu stii la ce sa reactionezi, la o stanca prabusita, la un copil care fuge, la un accident petrecut dupa colt, etc. Daca mai stai sa si cauti schimbatorul si sa bagi in viteza in timp ce decizi ce trebuie sa faci confruntat cu situatia, e o mare pirdere de timp si de resurse.
ciprian7
Sfatul meu este urmatorul : condu pur si simplu. Cu timpul o sa-ti dai seama de manevrele pe care trebuie sa le faci in curbe, pentru ca in primul rand trebuie sa cunosti masina pe care o conduci, sa stii ce dotari are, etc. Cu timpul o sa ajungi sa conduci foarte bine. Ceea ce trebuie sa faci este pur si simplu sa conduci.... Restul vine de la sine.
Ceea ce ai citit aici iti poate folosi doar in masura in care ai cateva mii de kilometrii pe drumuri..... Parerea mea
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