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adivro
Salutare,

Asa cum spune si titlul topicului sunt in cautarea unei masini SH. Bugetul pentru achizitie este de maxim 17.000 euro. As avea nevoie de sfatul vostru pentru a face cea mai buna alegere.

Despre mine:
- As face cu masina asta 15-20.000 km. pe an (60% urban - 40% extra). Urban la mine inseamna pe centura Bucuresti.
- prefer cutie automata insa nu este un criteriu definitoriu.
- familia este formata din 2 persoane insa drumurile extraurbane se vor face in compania a inca doua persoane deci o masina mica este exclusa. De fapt si o compacta este exclusa.

Ce as vrea de la o masina?
- motor pana in 2000 cmc;
- sportivitatea nu este pe primul loc;
- consum decent (10-12% urban e decent zic eu);
- an de fabricatie > 2009
- km. < 80.000

Ce-mi place? (ordine aleatoare)
- Citroen C5 (mare plus pentru suspensia Hydractiv, mai merg si la un pescuit din cand in cand si sunt nevoit sa apelez la un coleg)
- Honda Accord
- Toyota Avensis
- Open Insignia
- Skoda Yeti

Nu as vrea Audi/BMW intrucat consider ca nu ma incadrez la buget. Nu vreau VW (am avut Passat). Nu prea imi place Ford Mondeo insa nu-l exclud total.

Variantele Tourer si sunt mai placute din punctul meu de vedere.

De condus, nu le-am condus pe toate. Am mers cu Accordul si mi-a placut. Oricum, nu cred ca cei 10-30 km de la un test-drive m-ar ajuta sa ma hotarasc.

Multumesc pentru viitoarele sfaturi in avans.
DRAGOS
15-20.000km, deci alegerea e un motor pe benzina.

Din comparatia asta, 10-12 in oras va consuma doar accordul 2.0...si poate yeti 1.8tsi, desi am dubii din cauza tractiunii 4X4 si a greutatii. La restul pregateste-te pt altfel de consumuri in oras.

C5-ul e de departe cea mai confortabila. Daca asta e primul citeriu, atunci ai castigatorul. Insa e foarte scumpa de noua(nu stiu cum sta la sh) si pe benzina va consuma mult.

Yeti n-are ce cauta in comparatia asta, e mult mai putin "masina" decat restul: spatiu interior mai mic, consum mai mare(la motoare evhivalente cu restul), tinuta de drum de suv. In schimb pentru mers la pescuit va fi cea mai buna.

Insignia e o masina proasta. Foarte grea(indiferent de motorizare, parca e facuta din plumb), probleme de fiabilitate, scuane si interior nasoale, parere subiectiva evident.

Avensis e o masina corecta, din toate punctele de vedere, dar pe mine personal nu ma atrage deloc.
AlexTM
Nu cumva ai vrut sa pui Skoda Octavia sau Superb in lista asta, in loc de Yeti? Prea e ca nuca-n perete smile.gif
Octavia e ceva mai mica decat restul, insa are spatiu interior suficient pentru 4 persoane. Iar in banii astia te incadrezi si la un diesel, ca sa nu uitam de consum.
Titi1988
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- As face cu masina asta 15-20.000 km. pe an (60% urban - 40% extra). Urban la mine inseamna pe centura Bucuresti.


rezulta benzina dar nici nu as elimina chiar de tot diesel

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- prefer cutie automata insa nu este un criteriu definitoriu.


dupa cum ai eliminat mai jos vag deci DSG poti sa tai peste cutie automata


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- familia este formata din 2 persoane insa drumurile extraurbane se vor face in compania a inca doua persoane deci o masina mica este exclusa. De fapt si o compacta este exclusa.


=> berlina sau break din clasa medie mare



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- Citroen C5 (mare plus pentru suspensia Hydractiv, mai merg si la un pescuit din cand in cand si sunt nevoit sa apelez la un coleg)


da, la confort este mult peste toate masinile din clasa dar la motoare lasa de dorit, la care mai adaugi si masa foarte mare si rezulta o masina foarte confortabila si foarte lenta cu un consum mare plus ca nu prea gasesti doar dieseluri in romania cateva caracterisitci 138 cp 1640 kg => 0-100- 12.8 secunde si 160 cp 1655 kg => 10.8 secunde

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- Honda Accord


o masina super ok din toate punctele de vedere! cu motorul de 2.0 benzina 156 cp

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- Toyota Avensis


nu cunosc nimic despre masina asta dar mi se pare una obisnuita care nu exceleaza in nimic

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- Open Insignia

de acord cu Dragos, la inceput am zis ca ii o masina super dar dupa drive test m-a dezamagit foarte tare!!!

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- Skoda Yeti

uita de orice fel de skoda daca te intereseaza confortul!!! am fost in superb nou in reprezentanta si au scaune mai proaste decat Loganul!!! si nu exagerez!!

mai arunca o privire la Mazda 6, am fost cu ea si este imensa la interior!! arata foarte bine si am auzit doar chestii pozitive
Si Seat Exeo devine o alegere interesanta daca vine cu 1.8 tsi + DSG.
sau Mitsubishi Lancer nu stiu nimic de ea (dar am o repulsie personala pentru aceasta masina de cand am avut o experienta negativa cu un vanzator- deci nu lua in seama ce am scris)

Eu personal as cumpara Honda Accord sau Mazda 6. Nu uita ca atunci cand vine vorba de SH conteaza foarte mult starea masinii si daca a fost intretinuta!!!! revizii verificabile, testare la reprezentanta etc

Succes!!
DRAGOS
Exeo e un A4 de acu 10 ani, foarte mic la interior, prost dpdv al sigurantei(4 stele euoncap, rating de prin 2003). Masina asta n-are trebui sa coste mai mult de 20.000 noua, full.

Mazda 6, da, o masina foarte frumoasa, reusita, dotata si motorizata bine.
adivro
QUOTE (DRAGOS @ May 20 2012, 11:30 PM) *
...
Din comparatia asta, 10-12 in oras va consuma doar accordul 2.0...si poate yeti 1.8tsi, desi am dubii din cauza tractiunii 4X4 si a greutatii. La restul pregateste-te pt altfel de consumuri in oras.
...
Yeti n-are ce cauta in comparatia asta, e mult mai putin "masina" decat restul: spatiu interior mai mic, consum mai mare(la motoare evhivalente cu restul), tinuta de drum de suv. In schimb pentru mers la pescuit va fi cea mai buna.
Insignia e o masina proasta. Foarte grea(indiferent de motorizare, parca e facuta din plumb), probleme de fiabilitate, scuane si interior nasoale, parere subiectiva evident.
..

Ok, deci Yeti iese din discutie. Inca nu sunt sigur de Insignia, cred ca arunc un ochi si peste forumul lor sa vad de probleme.

QUOTE (AlexTM @ May 21 2012, 05:39 AM) *
Nu cumva ai vrut sa pui Skoda Octavia sau Superb in lista asta, in loc de Yeti? Prea e ca nuca-n perete smile.gif
Octavia e ceva mai mica decat restul, insa are spatiu interior suficient pentru 4 persoane. Iar in banii astia te incadrezi si la un diesel, ca sa nu uitam de consum.


Nu vreau nici Octavia nici Superb, mi se pare ca ofera mai putin decat concurenta (asta din cazul meu).

QUOTE (Titi1988 @ May 21 2012, 09:45 AM) *
Citroen C5
da, la confort este mult peste toate masinile din clasa dar la motoare lasa de dorit, la care mai adaugi si masa foarte mare si rezulta o masina foarte confortabila si foarte lenta cu un consum mare plus ca nu prea gasesti doar dieseluri in romania cateva caracterisitci 138 cp 1640 kg => 0-100- 12.8 secunde si 160 cp 1655 kg => 10.8 secunde

Honda Accord
o masina super ok din toate punctele de vedere! cu motorul de 2.0 benzina 156 cp

Toyota Avensis
nu cunosc nimic despre masina asta dar mi se pare una obisnuita care nu exceleaza in nimic

Open Insignia
de acord cu Dragos, la inceput am zis ca ii o masina super dar dupa drive test m-a dezamagit foarte tare!!!

Skoda Yeti
uita de orice fel de skoda daca te intereseaza confortul!!! am fost in superb nou in reprezentanta si au scaune mai proaste decat Loganul!!! si nu exagerez!!

mai arunca o privire la Mazda 6, am fost cu ea si este imensa la interior!! arata foarte bine si am auzit doar chestii pozitive
Si Seat Exeo devine o alegere interesanta daca vine cu 1.8 tsi + DSG.
sau Mitsubishi Lancer nu stiu nimic de ea (dar am o repulsie personala pentru aceasta masina de cand am avut o experienta negativa cu un vanzator- deci nu lua in seama ce am scris)
Eu personal as cumpara Honda Accord sau Mazda 6. Nu uita ca atunci cand vine vorba de SH conteaza foarte mult starea masinii si daca a fost intretinuta!!!! revizii verificabile, testare la reprezentanta etc
Succes!!

C5 (Hydractive) si Accord gasesc pe site-ul nemtesc sub 60.000 km, automate, cu motoare de 2l pe benzina. La C5 mai este motorul 1.6 turbo insa nu-l gasesc SH .. cred. Nu sunt ahtiat dupa sportivitate, nu este principalul criteriu in alegerea masinii. Totusi, intredevar, 13 secunde sunt destule, poate ma orientez catre un motor mai mare (dieselul de 163 CP?).

Yeti iese, Insignia e pe cale sa plece si ea.
Am vreo 2 vecini cu Mazda 6, o sa-i intreb si pe ei ce parere au de masina. Oricum, la o prima cautare as avea mai putine optiuni decat C5 si Accord.
DRAGOS
Am mers cu C5 2.0hdi 163 si se mica ok pe reprize. Nu e cea mai rapida masina, dar daca zici ca sportivitatea e mai putin importanta merge. Totusi ala de 138 cp probabil e o martoaga obosita la 13s 0-100.
Accord 2.0 benzina ti se va parea racheta, pe langa amandoua.

Eu ti-as propune un drive-test. Mergi cu amandoua si vezi care-ti place. Accord-ul e rapid(fata de C5) si confortabil pe sosea, dar nu e de mers la peste.
Titi1988
daca vrei si un usor off-roader atunci Hyundai Santa Fee indeplineste majoritatea conditiilor numai sa nu te astepti sa se cumporte ca o berlina. O sa fie o barca inceata mare cu 4x4 permanent. la motorul de 2.2 consum 11-12 oras si 7 exterior ( am intreabt mai multe persoane)
solmar
Hyundai ix35 1.7 CRDi 115CP DPF 2WD 6MT, la oferta, 19700.
James Kilowatt
Duster, NOU.
AlexTM
Accord si Mazda sunt alegeri OK, dar vor fi ceva mai scumpe. C5-ul o sa fie cel mai ieftin, apoi Avensis.
Alege ce-ti place, important la un SH e mai putin marca, cat starea reala a masinii.
danutv
Piata asta cu TVA eludat, km dati inapoi etc a tras in jos si pretul masinilor bune, gasesti si BMW sau Audi in Banii aia, trebuie doar rabdare.

Este un baiat din Mures ce vinde un Audi A4 B8 (este mai mare decat modelele vechi) din 2009, 2 TDI 143 CP, 150k km 14200 euro.

Este in Cluj la vanzare o Honda Accord din 2008 primul proprietar, motor 2 i VTEC, 156 CP, 34k km 14k euro.

Stiu ca nu iti place Skoda, dar este un Superb pe forumul VW, din 2009, 2 TDI CR 170CP, 43k km, 14800 euro, are si pachet drunuri grele (asta te duce si la pescuit).

Trebuie sa vezi ce ti se potriveste, gasesti si masini bune in bugetul tau.

Bafta
solmar
Daca ai 17k mai bine te orientezi la o masina noua avand in vedere ca masina veche vine cu surprize. E de preferat sa cauti una noua chiar si putin mai scumpa decat bugetul initial sau sa cauti un 2nd la prieteni de incredere. Sansele sunt mai reduse pe forum sau pe net pentru un 2nd ok. La orice masina buna fie concurezi cu samsarii fie ajungi sa o cumperi de la ei, daca sunt mai iuti de mana.
Mircea104901
QUOTE (danutv @ May 21 2012, 09:55 AM) *
, dar este un Superb , are si pachet drunuri grele (asta te duce si la pescuit).


O mica corectura: nu te duce la pescuit. In configuratia asta poti circula prin Romania, fara grija ca "spargi" baia de ulei la prima denivelare abordata mai tare.
Titi1988
Nu il luati asa de tare cu masinile second hand. Daca te pricepi si stii pasii si la ce sa te uiti si ce sa verifici nu iei nicio teapa...
James Kilowatt
Daaa, si mai dai si pe la biserica, mai aprinzi si o lumanare, mai pupi si doua moaste.....
adivro
QUOTE (danutv @ May 21 2012, 01:55 PM) *
Piata asta cu TVA eludat, km dati inapoi etc a tras in jos si pretul masinilor bune, gasesti si BMW sau Audi in Banii aia, trebuie doar rabdare.

Este un baiat din Mures ce vinde un Audi A4 B8 (este mai mare decat modelele vechi) din 2009, 2 TDI 143 CP, 150k km 14200 euro.

Este in Cluj la vanzare o Honda Accord din 2008 primul proprietar, motor 2 i VTEC, 156 CP, 34k km 14k euro.

Stiu ca nu iti place Skoda, dar este un Superb pe forumul VW, din 2009, 2 TDI CR 170CP, 43k km, 14800 euro, are si pachet drunuri grele (asta te duce si la pescuit).

Trebuie sa vezi ce ti se potriveste, gasesti si masini bune in bugetul tau.

Bafta


Audi si BMW nu am in cap tocmai datorita bugetului.

QUOTE (solmar @ May 21 2012, 02:30 PM) *
Daca ai 17k mai bine te orientezi la o masina noua avand in vedere ca masina veche vine cu surprize. E de preferat sa cauti una noua chiar si putin mai scumpa decat bugetul initial sau sa cauti un 2nd la prieteni de incredere. Sansele sunt mai reduse pe forum sau pe net pentru un 2nd ok. La orice masina buna fie concurezi cu samsarii fie ajungi sa o cumperi de la ei, daca sunt mai iuti de mana.


Decat sa dau banii pe o masina noua prefer una SH de 2 ani si pana in 50-70.000 km.

QUOTE (James Kilowatt @ May 21 2012, 06:25 PM) *
Daaa, si mai dai si pe la biserica, mai aprinzi si o lumanare, mai pupi si doua moaste.....


Ma duc si acolo, suflu si-n iaurt sa fac alegerea cea mai buna.

Dintre Citroen C5, preferat benzina (oare gasesc turbo de 1.6?) si Accord 2.0 (aspirat) voi ce ati alege?
mircanu
noi ne dam cu pararea si matale trebuie sa incerci masinile respective sa vezi daca esti de acord cu noi. pana la urma tu iei ce masina iti place si te simti bine in ea, aste f important. la un asa buget, au as zice in start masina noua. te bucuri de garantie si faptul ca eventualele probleme le vei rezolva moca.

eu as zice, avensis sau accord, cu o inclinatie catre avensis. si asta nu ptr ca am toyota ci ptr ca ai de unde alege la motorizari. astia au 1.6, 1.8, 2.0 benzina......2.0, 2.2 diesel. in plus, mie unul imi place cum arata avensisul. arata ca un lexus din spate. o masina eleganta si serioasa. unii pot zice banala, asa ca e vb de gust aici.
accord-ul mi se pare iar o masina atragatoare. insa are un dezavantaj ptr tine: incepe de la 19.000 de euro fara TVA si are doar un motor pe benzina de 2.0. modelul diesel incepe de la 21.000 euro si are un motor de 2.2.

tu si pus pe lista cateva variante insa ele nu se incadreaza la bugetul tau. de ex C5.
eu as mai include pe lista ta un Golf5, cu posibilitatea sa iei G5 variant ptr extra spatiu. gandeste-te bine. ai 17.000 de euro, sunt ceva bani asa ca include mai multe modele in lista ta, insa sa se incadreze la buget.
AlexTM
QUOTE (adivro @ May 21 2012, 07:33 PM) *
Dintre Citroen C5, preferat benzina (oare gasesc turbo de 1.6?) si Accord 2.0 (aspirat) voi ce ati alege?

Eu, C5. Nu stiu daca exista de 1.6 turbo, dar e 1.8 aspirat, 125 CP. Preturile sunt OK, in bugetul tau gasesti chiar si diesel si-ti mai raman ceva bani de o revizie, un plin ... smile.gif

Dar de ce zici ca nu te incadrezi si la clasa "strugurilor acri" Mercedes, Audi, BMW? In 17000 intra si din astea, insa vor fi mai scumpe la intretinere dup-aia.
Mercedes clasa C gasesti din 2008-2009, sub 100000 km (deci ... ca nou smile.gif ) Este mai mica decat celelalte insa mai eleganta.








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