Salut! Sunt in cautare de o masina de mers pe campurile Romaniei. Ma intereseaza in mod special consumul mediu sa fie max 7-8 L, capacitatea cilindrica sub 2000 cmc, datorita impozitului si a RCA-ului. Pret maxim 6-7000 euro. Neaparat diesel, AC, reductor. O masina sa ma scoata din noroaiele care se gasesc pe la noi cand ploua ceva mai tare. Vechimea aproape ca nu conteaza. 95 % din drumuri vor fi facute pe camp. De preferat in 3 usi. Variante ar fi: Suzuki Vitara, Pajero Pinin- nu sunt sigur daca e diesel si sub 2000 cmc, Daihatsu Terios, Toyota Rav 4 II.
Nu am gasit efectiv oferte, cred ca astea ar fi variantele. Care credeti ca e mai rezistenta? Daca mai aveti si alte variante disponibile va rog sa le expuneti.
Daca exista asemenea masina in Romania si sa se prezinte in conditii bune o voi lua de aici, daca nu, pot sa rog pe cineva sa aduca asa ceva din Germania.
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Mitsubishi Pinin = forget about it. Nu e masina pentru camp, chiar daca scrie mitsu pe el 
Mitsubishi pajero cu motor de 2.5 sau 2.8 da, sunt niste alegeri bune, dar nu se incadreaza sub 2000cmc. In schimb daca iti iei unul, te vei indragosti iremediabil de el...
Vitara / Jimny / Samurai se incadreaza in toate cerintele, ba un samurai la banii astia este deja preparat.
Pe de alta parte, daca mergi pe suzuki uri, nu are rost sa iti iei diesel. Strica complet masina, motorul este mult mai greu si lenes, nu este construit pt masini de teren, etc.
Toyota Rav4 este firava si nu prea se prepara pe la noi, iar Daihatsu nu are rost pur si simplu .
Daca mergi cu cap, atat pajero cat si vitara nu vor suferi din cauza fetei pe bascule.
Daca vrei sa dai omor la masina pe campurile alea, jimny / Samurai scrie pe tine, care sa aibe punte rigida si pe fata.
Cu ele vei da omor si la coloana / rinichi dar si majoritatii celorlalti participanti la iesiri
Rav4 / Daihatsu - cu siguranta mai firave.
Poate te uiti si la Hilux / L200 care trbuie sa aibe motoare disele de gen 2500 si sunt heavy duty by design....
Mitsubishi pajero cu motor de 2.5 sau 2.8 da, sunt niste alegeri bune, dar nu se incadreaza sub 2000cmc. In schimb daca iti iei unul, te vei indragosti iremediabil de el...
Vitara / Jimny / Samurai se incadreaza in toate cerintele, ba un samurai la banii astia este deja preparat.
Pe de alta parte, daca mergi pe suzuki uri, nu are rost sa iti iei diesel. Strica complet masina, motorul este mult mai greu si lenes, nu este construit pt masini de teren, etc.
Toyota Rav4 este firava si nu prea se prepara pe la noi, iar Daihatsu nu are rost pur si simplu .
Daca mergi cu cap, atat pajero cat si vitara nu vor suferi din cauza fetei pe bascule.
Daca vrei sa dai omor la masina pe campurile alea, jimny / Samurai scrie pe tine, care sa aibe punte rigida si pe fata.
Cu ele vei da omor si la coloana / rinichi dar si majoritatii celorlalti participanti la iesiri
Rav4 / Daihatsu - cu siguranta mai firave.
Poate te uiti si la Hilux / L200 care trbuie sa aibe motoare disele de gen 2500 si sunt heavy duty by design....
Pajero stiu ca e o masina solida ca un tanc, in special modelele mai vechi care nu au multa electronica in ele. La 2500-2800 cmc taxele sunt cam mari, impozitul este mare, de asemenea consumul este maricel. Hilux si L200 sunt prea mari pentru nevoile mele. Nu vreau sa dau omor la masina pe camp. Masina este pentru tatal meu care momentan merge cu un Logan papuc diesel, fara servodirectie , fara AC. Totusi dupa o ploaie torentiala trebuie sa astepti 3-4 zile sa intri din nou.
M-am mai gandit la Audi allroad dar nu are decat motor de 2.5, prima varianta din 2003 parca. E Audi si preturile la piese sunt destul de mari.
Lada Niva, nu e diesel (desi s-au facut si diesel, acelasi motor de pe papuc) insa poti pune o instalatie de GPL 
Cica neaparat motor cu injectie!
PS: poate sa fie la fel de bine si un Aro
Cica neaparat motor cu injectie!PS: poate sa fie la fel de bine si un Aro
Cred ca ar trebui sa ma conving pe mine insumi ca Pajero e cea mai buna varianta si apoi pe tata.
Cu Aro a mers cativa ani si s-a ales cu dureri de spate. Trebuie neaparat Diesel. Benzina si GPL-ul ies din discutie.
Cu Aro a mers cativa ani si s-a ales cu dureri de spate. Trebuie neaparat Diesel. Benzina si GPL-ul ies din discutie.
Samurai sau Jimny sunt o alegere f buna, motor cilindree mica dar f potente in off-road. La fel si taxele sunt o gluma...tu faci cum crezi...
Niva si Aro - numai daca esti un bun mecanic
Samurai si Jimny sunt uper smechere dar inconfortabile.
Pajero will rule, iar la 2500 nu sunt chiar atat de mari taxele.
Consumul e mare daca il compari cu loganul pe strada.
Patrolul meu de 2800cmc, 3 tone, cu oversize/overweight tires si pompa de injectie cu debit crescut consuma la drum 13%....
Mi-am dat seama ca incape si un Patrol Y60 de 2.8 in schema, care este intr-adevar indestructibil (as opposed to any other offroader deja mentionat) si care s-ar putea sa aibe A/C din moment ce Y61 are clima...
Samurai si Jimny sunt uper smechere dar inconfortabile.
Pajero will rule, iar la 2500 nu sunt chiar atat de mari taxele.
Consumul e mare daca il compari cu loganul pe strada.
Patrolul meu de 2800cmc, 3 tone, cu oversize/overweight tires si pompa de injectie cu debit crescut consuma la drum 13%....
Mi-am dat seama ca incape si un Patrol Y60 de 2.8 in schema, care este intr-adevar indestructibil (as opposed to any other offroader deja mentionat) si care s-ar putea sa aibe A/C din moment ce Y61 are clima...
Cred ca mai degraba as lua ceva confortabil si cu consum cvea mai mare decat o masina care sa-mi rupa oasele. Singura varianta care se incadreaza este Pajero de 2.5 sau orice alt model pana in 2.5 l. Cred ca s-au mai fabricat Vitara cu motor de 1.9 diesel dupa 2003, dar nu stiu cat de fiabile sunt.
Ai sa razi, dar in acest domeniu, masinile mai vechi sunt mai fiabile decat cele noi, deci un pajero din 95 o sa fie mai smecher pt mers pe camp decat un vitara nou...
CITAT(Watcher @ Jun 16 2011, 08:23 AM) 
Ai sa razi, dar in acest domeniu, masinile mai vechi sunt mai fiabile decat cele noi, deci un pajero din 95 o sa fie mai smecher pt mers pe camp decat un vitara nou...
Se prea poate sa ai dreptate, dar taxa de prima inmatriculare la Pajero din 95 e maricica. Sau pot sa-l inmatriculez in Bulgaria.
Am gasit un Pajero adis din Anglia: An fabricatie 1994 , diesel , 2800 cmc , 4x4 , klimatronic , geamuri electrice , oglinzi electrice , radioCD , jante aliaj , airbag , faruri ceata , geamuri fumurii , scut metalic , aparatoare faruri , sistem spalare faruri , praguri , carlig remorcare , Posibilitate rate , Avans = 2000 euro Pret vanzare = 4400 euro
sau: An fabricatie 1993 , 2500 cmc, diesel , aer conditionat , jante aliaj , geamuri electrice , oglinzi electrice , ABS , faruri ceata , inchidere centralizata , praguri , bullbar , Pret vanzare = 3500 euro
Y60 2.8TD sau 4.2 benzina...sunt regi prin off-road 
Din pacate pana in 2.5L nu gasesti decat Pajero si atunci rezolvi ecuatia capabilitati off-road mari vs. confort pe sosea
Din pacate pana in 2.5L nu gasesti decat Pajero si atunci rezolvi ecuatia capabilitati off-road mari vs. confort pe sosea
CITAT(DORU @ Jun 16 2011, 09:45 AM)
Y60 2.8TD sau 4.2 benzina...sunt regi prin off-road
Din pacate pana in 2.5L nu gasesti decat Pajero si atunci rezolvi ecuatia capabilitati off-road mari vs. confort pe sosea
Din pacate pana in 2.5L nu gasesti decat Pajero si atunci rezolvi ecuatia capabilitati off-road mari vs. confort pe sosea
Adica, confortul pe sosea egal 0_
Pt un Pajero nepreparat, nicidecum...
Ce parere aveti despre X-trail?
tu ai zis ca vrei masina de mers pe camp
watcher, doru , eu si restul intelegem ceva, tu poate intelegi altceva explica te rog .
watcher, doru , eu si restul intelegem ceva, tu poate intelegi altceva
explica te rog .
Nu vreau o masina preparata pentru off road. Daca luam un Pajero din 95 exact cum a iesit din fabrica sunt sigur ca face fata campurilor din Romania.
am inteles acum.
eu iti zic ca exista campuri unde nu ar face fata
eu iti zic ca exista campuri unde nu ar face fata
Sunt sigur ca exista, orice masina are o limita. O masina 4x4 chiar daca nu are reductor si sau diferentiale autoblocante e mult mai buna decat una cu tractiune fata. Ideea este sa fie o masina cu o garda la sol de 25 cm poate mai mult, sa fie 4X4, maxim 2500 cmc, diesel, consum mixt max 7-8 l.
pai ramai cu pajero in ecuatie .
Jeep Grand cherokee Am fost cu un prieten cu a lui si pur si simplu mi-a crescut pulsul cand am vazut pe unde s-a bagat si a iesit. Super masina si stock. Nu vreau sa ma gandesc unul preparat ce ar face . Dar eu as alege o masina cu ampatament cat mai mic (cu jeepul a ramas suspendat de mijloc.. doar atunci nu a mai putut face nimic)
LE HUAAAA
http://www.autovit.ro/land-rover-discovery-C19052636.html
. Dar eu as alege o masina cu ampatament cat mai mic (cu jeepul a ramas suspendat de mijloc.. doar atunci nu a mai putut face nimic)LE HUAAAA
http://www.autovit.ro/land-rover-discovery-C19052636.html
Tinand cont de aceste propuneri, reiau: Pajero 
Nu exista nici o comparatie intre acele pajero pe care le-ai pus fata de un xtrail...
LE: de 'preparat' tot trebuie sa il prepari, caci daca nu ii pui macar MTuri, nu mai conteaza nici un blocant, etc.
De asemenea, daca vrei sa mearga confortabil, i-ar prinde bine o suspensie noua. Daca tot dai banii pe ea, mai bine iti pui un OME de +4 (+5) decat una OEM...
Dupa aia vei constata ca mai iei totusi diversi bolovani pe dedesubt, caci nu te poti abtine, si vei descoperi nevoia de scuturi.
La un moment dat vei lua si ceva sant si vei rupe barile fata / spate si vei descoperi nevoia unor bari heavy-duty, etc.
Nu exista nici o comparatie intre acele pajero pe care le-ai pus fata de un xtrail...
LE: de 'preparat' tot trebuie sa il prepari, caci daca nu ii pui macar MTuri, nu mai conteaza nici un blocant, etc.
De asemenea, daca vrei sa mearga confortabil, i-ar prinde bine o suspensie noua. Daca tot dai banii pe ea, mai bine iti pui un OME de +4 (+5) decat una OEM...
Dupa aia vei constata ca mai iei totusi diversi bolovani pe dedesubt, caci nu te poti abtine, si vei descoperi nevoia de scuturi.
La un moment dat vei lua si ceva sant si vei rupe barile fata / spate si vei descoperi nevoia unor bari heavy-duty, etc.
Grand Cherokee consuma 10 litri si o galeata. Pajero sau Terrano in 3 usi ar fi foarte bine.
watcher are dreptate.
Cred ca glumesti. Nu cumpar o masina in care sa mai bag 5000 euro in ea. Pe camp nu merg ca pe asfalt. Trebuie sa am grija si de masina, nu sa cred ca Pajero e indestructibila si sa-mi bat joc de ea. Cred ca Pajero vine totusi cu scut din tabla si nu din plastic.
Ce parere aveti despre Land Rover Freelander? Cum e sistemul de tractiune? Cred ca pot gasi modele in mai buna stare decat un Pajero din anii 90'
Parerea mea e ca e praf in offroad.
Cauta Defender daca vrei LR. Sau copia facuta de Iveco - Massif.
Nu e praf on off road. Am rascolit cateva forumuri despre Land Rover, parerea finala e ca nu merita. Sigur nu e Pajero, dar se descurca binisor. Problema e cu service-ul. Piese scumpe. Cred ca Pajero e sfant. Land Cruiser in 3 usi mai e o varianta si Patrol 3 usi, problema e ca au motoare de 3000.
Ma, omul vrea o masina pentru tatal lui, ceva de utilitate si nu un offroader pentru fun. Pentru asa ceva (probabil un drum desfundat cand ploua si cu ceva gropi/sleauri) nu ai nevoie de un Hummer. N-ati citit ca acum are un papuc?
Eu cred ca ar fi ok cam orice masina cu tractiune integrala si ceva cauciucuri MT sau chiar M+S. Deci si Freelander si X Trail si Forester samd, you name it din gama SUV. Ideea e sa nu trebuiasca sa mai astepte cele 3-4 zile de dupa ploaie ca sa poata iar parcurge drumul ala.
Eu am facut un fel de test drive mai nonconformist cu un Duster diesel pe care l-am bagat la deal pe un drum cu noroi (stupid me, n-am vazut ca era mocirla pana nu m-am trezit cu rotile pana la butuc infipte) si jur pe rosu ca n-am crezut ca mai ies de acolo. Si totusi rabla s-a descurcat minunat, a dansat ca la balamuc dar a urcat. La coborare am si frecat-o cu destul simt de raspundere prin niste maracinisuri pentru ca nu statea pe traiectorie in treapta 1 de alunecos ce era.
Cred ca e de ajuns un SUV cu ceva aptitudini off road (asa cum e X Trailul de pilda.)
Eu cred ca ar fi ok cam orice masina cu tractiune integrala si ceva cauciucuri MT sau chiar M+S. Deci si Freelander si X Trail si Forester samd, you name it din gama SUV. Ideea e sa nu trebuiasca sa mai astepte cele 3-4 zile de dupa ploaie ca sa poata iar parcurge drumul ala.
Eu am facut un fel de test drive mai nonconformist cu un Duster diesel pe care l-am bagat la deal pe un drum cu noroi (stupid me, n-am vazut ca era mocirla pana nu m-am trezit cu rotile pana la butuc infipte) si jur pe rosu ca n-am crezut ca mai ies de acolo. Si totusi rabla s-a descurcat minunat, a dansat ca la balamuc dar a urcat. La coborare am si frecat-o cu destul simt de raspundere prin niste maracinisuri pentru ca nu statea pe traiectorie in treapta 1 de alunecos ce era.
Cred ca e de ajuns un SUV cu ceva aptitudini off road (asa cum e X Trailul de pilda.)
Da domne, 'merge si asa' (xtrail, freelander) Intrebarea este 'cat te va costa in total experienta cu un xtrail si cat te va consta in total experienta cu un pajero din 95'. Si iti spun ca TCOul / fun va fi de zeci de ori mai mic la Pajero decat la SUVuri..
Fun pentru tatal lui? Una peste alta un SUV are motor mai mic (taxe si impozite mai mici), consum mai mic si cred ca si pretul de achizitie la un model de-asta ar fi ceva mai scazut decat la un offroader cu acelelasi date (km, an fabricatie). Sunt convins ca tu ai dreptate dar masina e doar pentru utilitate si pentru un om care a depasit varsta placerii de a se da pe coclauri doar din pasiune.
Una peste alta un SUV are motor mai mic (taxe si impozite mai mici), consum mai mic si cred ca si pretul de achizitie la un model de-asta ar fi ceva mai scazut decat la un offroader cu acelelasi date (km, an fabricatie). Sunt convins ca tu ai dreptate dar masina e doar pentru utilitate si pentru un om care a depasit varsta placerii de a se da pe coclauri doar din pasiune.
Tudor, tu ai inteles perfect ce doresc. Chiar si eu o sa conduc aceasta masina, daca o voi gasi, si nu o voi face pentru fun. Cand lucrezi in agricultura ai nevoie de masini 4x4 sa te deplasezi pe camp in orice conditii, ploaie, zapada, noroi, etc. Problema e ca nu ne permitem o masina noua gen Pajero, Toyota, Nissan si de aceea ne-am orientat la un SH. Afacerea o incepi cu sh-uri si probabil mai tarziu iti poti permite ceva nou. De aceea ma intereseaza ceva sub 2000 cmc. Mai este Rav 4 generatia a doua in 2 usi. Mai e un fermier care are un RAV 4 1 in 2 usi si o vad mai tot timpul plina de noroi. Nu cred ca are reductor si sau diferential blocant, dar se descurca cu ea.
Pt mers pe camp in regim "fermier" pe orice vreme iti recomand Lada Niva
Nu am de vanzare nici un pajero si nici nu am actiuni la vanzatorii de SH uri care au pajero.
Acestea fiind spuse, mai spun o singura data si mai departe ma retrag de pe acest topic: daca achizitionezi un pajero de 2.5 vechi, il inmatriculezi la bulgari sau la primarie (daca merge doar pe camp?), ii faci o revizie si ii pui gume, nu vei avea nevoie sa repari ceva prea curand.
In schimb, cu orice SUV vei constata la un moment dat ca sunt incomparabil mai fragile, prin aceea ca vei avea ceva de reparat la ele ( pe bani adica, pe care ii scoti din buzunar, si care se adauga la costul de achizitie, nu stiu cum sa exprim mai clar treaba asta...)
Acestea fiind spuse, mai spun o singura data si mai departe ma retrag de pe acest topic: daca achizitionezi un pajero de 2.5 vechi, il inmatriculezi la bulgari sau la primarie (daca merge doar pe camp?), ii faci o revizie si ii pui gume, nu vei avea nevoie sa repari ceva prea curand.
In schimb, cu orice SUV vei constata la un moment dat ca sunt incomparabil mai fragile, prin aceea ca vei avea ceva de reparat la ele ( pe bani adica, pe care ii scoti din buzunar, si care se adauga la costul de achizitie, nu stiu cum sa exprim mai clar treaba asta...)
QUOTE (DORU @ Jun 19 2011, 10:04 PM)
Pt mers pe camp in regim "fermier" pe orice vreme iti recomand Lada Niva
F. bun raspunsul, vanatorii stiu de ce!!!
Daca o gasesti cu cutie automata o sa-i usurezi viatza.
Rusii n-au nici hibrid si nici cutie automata pentru biata Niva. Din contra!
QUOTE (mike.omega @ Jun 20 2011, 12:53 AM)
Rusii n-au nici hibrid si nici cutie automata pentru biata Niva. Din contra!
No atunci asta e. Ar fi ajutat mult in conditiile astea.
De fapt stai ca am vazit ceva pe internet, si rusii au un hybrid. L-a inaugurat fostul presedinte putin. tre sa gasesc linkul
L-am gasit http://www.tgdaily.com/sustainability-feat...ally-affordable
Asta era si ideea mea, sa-l inmatriculez la bulgari fiindca este euro 1 sau euro 2.
Doru multumesc pentru sfat, dar Lada Niva e pe benzina si iese din start din discutie.
De ce sa iau Pajero cu cutie automata? Nu e mai dificil de intretinut? Consumul nu creste cu 1-2 litri?
QUOTE (omul vesel @ Jun 20 2011, 02:40 AM)
De ce sa iau Pajero cu cutie automata? Nu e mai dificil de intretinut? Consumul nu creste cu 1-2 litri?
E foarte usor de condus in orice conditii. La camp esti mai mult intre terapta 1 si 2 si cu automata nu tot schimbi vitezele.
De intretinut e la fel. doar schimbul de ulei la cutie trebuie facul de o reprezentantza sau la un atelier auto care stie sa-l faca.
Sunt portiuni bune de camp unde poti merge cu a 3-a si a 4-a. Prefer cutia manuala.
QUOTE (omul vesel @ Jun 20 2011, 11:56 AM)
Sunt portiuni bune de camp unde poti merge cu a 3-a si a 4-a. Prefer cutia manuala.
Tu prefera ce vrei ca tu o sa conduci dar cutia automata e mai buna in 99% din cazuri si mai ales la camp.
Varul meu a cum parat o masina pentru tatal lui la tzara si mai mult statea in currte pentru ca pe pantele ale tatal lui se cam incurca in schimbator. se oprea motorul, fortza motorul si ambreiajul etc. O cutie automata in conditiile astea sunt un vis frumos. O cutie manuala un cosmar; Acum depinde si cat de bine se descurca tatal tau cu condusul( daca si-a luat carnetul mai recent sau daca conduce de mult)
Conduce de 30 de ani numai masini cu cutii manuale. Cred ca mai rau s-ar incurca cu una automata.
Atunci se descurca. O cutie automata nu l-ar incurca, ci tot un vis frumos ar fii.
O cutie automata nu l-ar incurca, ci tot un vis frumos ar fii.
Intai sa gasesc o masina in buna stare si sigur va fi cu cutie manualka, ca cele cu automata sunt mai rare, dat fiind faptul ca e in 3 usi.
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