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Oana
Istanbul, Turkey
http://www.istanbulparkcircuit.com

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Lap: 5.338km
Race: 58 Laps - 309.396km

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Program:
6 Mai 2011
10:00-11:30 FP1
14:00-15:30 FP2

7 Mai 2011
11:00-12:00 FP3
14:00-15:00 Calificari

8 Mai 2011
15:00 Cursa

Pronosticuri "Formula 1 te face campion!":
- Top 10
- Pole Position
- Fastest lap
- Finish
- Last
- Intrebarea etapei: getodac

Pronosticurile vor fi postate in acest topic, inainte de inceputul sesiunii de calificari.

clasament
getodac
Intrebarea etapei:

Care dintre pilotii din top 10 (clasament general dupa primele 3 etape) va intra primul la boxe strict pentru schimbul de pneuri?

@Oana
Nu stiu daca am sa reusesc weekendul asta sa postez pronosticurile, in cazul in care nu voi reusi sa postez vineri seara se pot lua in calcul pronosticurile mele de saptamana trecuta si pentru Istambul?
Seri
1. Vettel
2. Hamilton
3. Alonso
4. Webber
5. Button
6. Massa
7. Schumacher
8. Rosberg
9. Petrov
10. Kobayashi

Pole: Vettel
Fastest lap: Hamilton
Finish: 18
Last: d'Ambrosio
Intrebarea etapei: Vettel.
Oana
QUOTE (getodac @ May 4 2011, 11:40 AM) *
@Oana
Nu stiu daca am sa reusesc weekendul asta sa postez pronosticurile, in cazul in care nu voi reusi sa postez vineri seara se pot lua in calcul pronosticurile mele de saptamana trecuta si pentru Istambul?

de acum 3 saptamani vrei sa zici... da, se poate.
naher
1. Vettel
2. Alonso
3. Hamilton
4. Webber
5. Button
6. Barichello
7. Massa
8. Heidfeld
9. Schumacher
10. Rosberg

Pole: Vettel
Fastest lap: Vettel
Finish: 20
Last: d'Ambrosio
Intrebarea etapei: Webber
roadempire
1. Vettel
2. Webber
3. Hamilton
4. Alonso
5. Button
6. Rosberg
7. Massa
8. Heidfeld
9. Schumacher
10.Kobayashi

Pole: Vettel
Fastest lap: Vettel
Finish: 19
Last: d'Ambrosio
Intrebarea etapei: Hamilton
cristsib
1. Button
2. Rosberg
3. Hamilton
4. Alonso
5. Vettel
6. Webber
7. Schumacher
8. Heidfeld
9. Kobayashi
10. Perez

Pole: Button
Fast: Alonso
Last: Kovalainen
Finish: 18
Q: Button
radhhooo89
Scriu problema aici, si nu prin mesaj privat, ca sa nu existe suspiciuni din partea celorlalti. Userul din concurs e radhhooo, dar fiindca nu ma puteam inregistra in niciun chip, singura solutie era sa creez un alt cont. Pe noul cont vad ca nu am probleme, nu stiu de ce nu ma mai puteam inregistra pe vechiul cont. Ideea este ca as vrea sa continui concursul cu punctele userului meu vechi, daca se poate. Nu cred ca este vreo problema,nu? unsure.gif
f1anatic
1. Vettel
2. Hamilton
3. Webber
4. Schumacher
5. Button
6. Alonso
7. Massa
8. Rosberg
9. Petrov
10. Kobayashi

Pole: Vettel
Fastest lap: Hamilton
Finish: 16
Last: d'Ambrosio
Intrebarea etapei: Button.
cecyly
1. Vettel
2. Webber
3. Hamilton
4. Button
5. Alonso
6. Rosberg
7. Massa
8. Heidfeld
9. Schumacher
10. Petrov

Pole: Vettel
Fastest lap: Vettel
Finish: 18
Last: Trulli
Intrebarea etapei: Heidfeld
Oana
1 hamilton
2 vettel
3 schumacher
4 massa
5 rosberg
6 alonso
7 petrov
8 button
9 webber
10 heidfeld

pole position - vettel
fastest lap - webber
finish - 17
last - glock
q - sutil
radhhooo89
QUOTE (radhhooo89 @ May 6 2011, 05:50 PM) *
Scriu problema aici, si nu prin mesaj privat, ca sa nu existe suspiciuni din partea celorlalti. Userul din concurs e radhhooo, dar fiindca nu ma puteam inregistra in niciun chip, singura solutie era sa creez un alt cont. Pe noul cont vad ca nu am probleme, nu stiu de ce nu ma mai puteam inregistra pe vechiul cont. Ideea este ca as vrea sa continui concursul cu punctele userului meu vechi, daca se poate. Nu cred ca este vreo problema,nu? unsure.gif


1. Alonso
2. Hamilton
3. Webber
4. Rosberg
5. Button
6. Massa
7. Vettel
8. M.Schumacher
9. Heidfeld
10. Petrov

Pole Position: Hamilton
Fastest lap: Webber
Finish: 19
Last: Karthykeyan
Intrebare: Hamilton



Alex-F1
1 vettel
2 hamilton
3 button
4 alonso
5 rosberg
6 massa
7 webber
8 schumacher
9 petrov
10 heidfeld

pole position - vettel
fastest lap - vettel
finish - 18
last - kovalainen
q - button
pejte
1- Vettel
2- Webber
3- Schumacher
4- Hamilton
5- Alonso
6-Button
7- Kobayashi
8- Petrov
9- Massa
10- Heidfeld

Pole: Vettel
Fastest: Webber
Finish: 17
Last: Liuzzi
Intrebarea etapei: Button
9er
1. Vettel
2. Hamilton
3. Webber
4. Button
5. Rosberg
6. Alonso
7. Schumacher
8. Massa
9. Kobayashi
10. Petrov

PP: Vettel
FL: Webber
F: 17
L: Glock
Q: Hamilton
Oana
QUOTE (radhhooo89 @ May 6 2011, 06:50 PM) *
Scriu problema aici, si nu prin mesaj privat, ca sa nu existe suspiciuni din partea celorlalti. Userul din concurs e radhhooo, dar fiindca nu ma puteam inregistra in niciun chip, singura solutie era sa creez un alt cont. Pe noul cont vad ca nu am probleme, nu stiu de ce nu ma mai puteam inregistra pe vechiul cont. Ideea este ca as vrea sa continui concursul cu punctele userului meu vechi, daca se poate. Nu cred ca este vreo problema,nu? unsure.gif

sunt niste probleme tehnice de cateva zile, dar se vor rezolva. incearca sa te loghezi cu adresa de mail... pronosticul va fi luat in considerare, stai fara grija.

am sa postez si pronosticul lui azazel, care mi-a trimis in sms inainte de inceputul calificarilor.
1 vettel
2 webber
3 hamilton
4 button
5 massa
6 rosberg
7 heidfeld
8 alonso
9 petrov
10 di resta

pole position - vettel
fastest lap - hamilton
finish - 20
last - trulli
Alex-F1
Ahahaha....chiar ma uitam pe RTL inainte de cursa (~ ora 14:35) si pe cine credeti c-am vazut plimbandu-se cu mainile la spate pe grila, printre masinile pregatite pt. start? Pe Mikiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii ohmy.gif wallbash.gif Ce mai cauta asta frate pe la curse?.... o fi chiar asa de pasionat omu, de merge pe banii lui, cum ziceau unii c-ar fi mers si pana acum? Reporterul televiziunii germane (Kai Ebel) ii lua interviu lui Nico Rosberg si atunci a aparut in cadru si al nostru ca bradul....se holba la Nico, din dreapta cadrului, apoi a venit din stanga si, daca a vazut ca nu-l baga nimeni in seama, a plecat asa cum a venit....chiar hazliu 36182451.gif
Oana
chiar ma intrebam intr-o zi cu ce se mai ocupa acum... am sa le sugerez celor de la Digi sa-l invite intr-o emisiune smile.gif)

nu zic nimic despre cursa de azi pentru ca am vazut doar ultima jumatate de ora. dar o s-o vad in reluare si apoi ma pronunt.
Seri
Miki este in continuare corespondent pt Auto Motor si Sport, cred ca ei ii platesc deplasarile. Scrie pentru ei de peste 10 ani. In scris reuseste sa-si expuna ideile mai coerent decat o facea pe post.
Alex-F1
QUOTE (Oana @ May 8 2011, 04:55 PM) *
am vazut doar ultima jumatate de ora


Pai ce fan esti tu mah? Calificarile pauza, cursa "ultima jumatate de ora"!!! whoops.gif Cum sa nu vezi tu ce negru-n ceru' gurii a fost azi al tau Schumi? Din primele ture s-a incordat la Petrov si asta l-a costat eleronul fata, deci timp si locuri pierdute la greu.....pana si Barrichello l-a facut, asta asa parca sa mai spele putin din umilinta pe care a indurat-o atatia ani la Ferrari.....
Oana
QUOTE (Alex-F1 @ May 8 2011, 06:48 PM) *
Pai ce fan esti tu mah? Calificarile pauza, cursa "ultima jumatate de ora"!!! whoops.gif Cum sa nu vezi tu ce negru-n ceru' gurii a fost azi al tau Schumi?

o data la cativa ani mi se intampla si mie sa pierd o cursa. dar sa stii ca am vazut toate cele trei sesiuni de antrenamente, daca se pune tongue.gif si din cate am vazut nu numai schumy a fost nervos astazi

barrichello e un subiect pentru care nu merita sa-mi pierd timpul. a fost, este si va fi un pilot mediocru... cu sau fara ordine de echipa.
Otto73
QUOTE (Alex-F1 @ May 8 2011, 12:48 PM) *
Pai ce fan esti tu mah? Calificarile pauza, cursa "ultima jumatate de ora"!!! whoops.gif Cum sa nu vezi tu ce negru-n ceru' gurii a fost azi al tau Schumi? Din primele ture s-a incordat la Petrov si asta l-a costat eleronul fata, deci timp si locuri pierdute la greu.....pana si Barrichello l-a facut, asta asa parca sa mai spele putin din umilinta pe care a indurat-o atatia ani la Ferrari.....

Pai si-a dat si ea seama ca formula1 e o porcarie nespectaculoasa si o pierdere de timp smile.gif)))) banned.gif
getodac
QUOTE (Oana @ May 4 2011, 11:27 AM) *
de acum 3 saptamani vrei sa zici... da, se poate.


Am vrut sa spun etapa trecuta, nu saptamana trecuta rolleyes.gif si multumesc pentru acel "da, se poate" oricum nu am facut mare branza, se pare ca noul participant pejte a nimerit cele mai multe.

@otto, drs si kers au facut ca F1 sa fie mult mai spectaculoasa si interesanta thumbsup.gif fata de ultimele 3 sezoane cel putin.
pejte
QUOTE (getodac @ May 9 2011, 08:49 AM) *
se pare ca noul participant pejte a nimerit cele mai multe.

Yey for me. Se pare ca nu ma uit de prin '94 la F1 degeaba drive.gif

Sau poate am avut noroc. Cine stie smile.gif
Seri
Felicitari pejte, ma bucur sa te vad si pe forumul asta. thumbsup.gif

Nu sunt sigur daca spectacolul se datoreaza sistemelor KERS sau DRS, mai degraba se datoreaza cauciucurilor Pirelli.
Oana
QUOTE (Otto73 @ May 8 2011, 08:10 PM) *
Pai si-a dat si ea seama ca formula1 e o porcarie nespectaculoasa si o pierdere de timp smile.gif)))) banned.gif

never wink.gif

@pejte, bine ai venit pe forum. e vorba doar de noroc, trust me...
pejte
QUOTE (Seri @ May 9 2011, 10:20 AM) *
Nu sunt sigur daca spectacolul se datoreaza sistemelor KERS sau DRS, mai degraba se datoreaza cauciucurilor Pirelli.

E o combinatie intre cele 3. thumbsup.gif
f1anatic
QUOTE
Why Schumacher's not done yet
On the face of it, Michael Schumacher's Turkish Grand Prix looked like a bit of a disaster. But if you scratch beneath the surface, as Jonathan Noble has, you begin to see a different picture emerge altogether

Skimming through the headlines in the days after the Istanbul race, you could have been forgiven for thinking that Michael Schumacher had actually thrown in the towel on his Formula 1 return.

His use of those two words ? 'big joy' ? to describe what he wasn't getting from F1 right now were pored over, rehashed, spun around and turned into a million stories declaring that his time was up.
Michael Schumacher 2011 Turkish Grand Prix Mercedes

And for those peddling that view, there had appeared to be little evidence in the 58 laps of the Turkish Grand Prix to suggest that the seven-time champion was anything other than a man no longer performing at the top of his game.

His race effectively finished early on when he clashed with Vitaly Petrov, Schumacher found himself turned into a big silver target for the rest of the afternoon ? as television replays showed collisions and wheel-banging with the likes of Rubens Barrichello, Kamui Kobayashi, Adrian Sutil and Felipe Massa.

Yet in this modern world of F1 that is shaped by Pirelli and DRS, it is important to step back a little bit from the television images and take a bit of time to dwell what is actually going out there on track.

Yes, it is fantastic entertainment seeing cars going three-abreast into corners, banging wheels, passing on entry and then re-passing each other on the apex again. Yes sometimes these battles are not strictly for position come the end of the race.

Mark Webber has remarked that a lot of the overtaking moves being seen in F1 are not 'racing' as such ?just cars passing each other because of the way the tyres are behaving. The guy in front is powerless to defend so just lets his rival pass.

Michael Schumacher 2011 Turkish grand prix Mercedes
There was no 'big joy' for Schumacher in Turkey LAT

Such moves are not real ? for a driver that has fresh soft tyres that are five seconds per lap quicker than a car ahead on older, harder rubber, are not really 'racing' each other in the same way that the heroes of the past battled it out wheel-to-wheel for glory.


The varied strategies ? especially when we have four-stops like in Turkey ? mean that drivers are being shuffled around the order like never before. And for a lot of drivers their move up the order are now merely the execution of a tyre strategy, not a brilliant charge through the field like we saw with Ayrton Senna at Suzuka in 1988, Nigel Mansell at Hungary in 1989, or Kimi Raikkonen at Suzuka in 2005.

With so many moves taking place throughout a race, it is important to distinguish those passes that are just an execution of strategy, as opposed to the overtaking moves that are a genuine one for position between drivers that are battling it out properly for a result.

And that is what it was like with Schumacher in Turkey. For while the television pictures seemed to portray him as a man sliding further and further down the order, actually very few of his losses were against his 'real' opposition.

In fact, it is only by looking at his performance in a bit more detail can you understand that what looked like a disaster of Sunday was actually an afternoon that had plenty of promise about it: which is probably what made it so frustrating for him.

There is no dispute that Schumacher could have done better to avoid getting his wing taken off when Petrov dived up the inside at Turn 12 ? but from then on the facts point towards a drive that put him on a par with the fellow three-stopper Jenson Button in the McLaren.

Here is the raw data

After the pitstop for a new nose, Schumacher was 27.7s behind his McLaren rival ? having lost 3s on his inlap to fix the nose and another 25s for the stop and the outlap.

With the benefit of marginally better rubber, Schumacher quietly set about closing the gap on Button throughout that first stint ? closing the gap down to 20s despite finding himself battling in traffic that Button did not have to counter.
Michael Schumacher 2011 Turkish Grand Prix Mercedes
Collision with Petrov damaged his wing LAT

That midfield mayhem meant the gap between them had stretched out to 29s after their final stops, but then Schumacher pushed on again and ? despite losing time in his late battle with Felipe Massa that included him running wide at Turn 1 ? Schumacher closed the gap to Button down to 26s by the chequered flag.

So, over the course of the race, and compared against the one front-runner who had elected for pretty much the same strategy ? Schumacher had done his race quicker than Button.

Yes, you can argue that Schumacher had the benefit of slightly fresher rubber during his stints, but you then need to counter that with the fact that Schumacher faced much more of the midfield mayhem than Button did at the front.

Sure the 12th place is nothing to be hugely proud about ? and it certainly would have brought 'no big joy' ? but to say his afternoon was an embarrassment to his legacy is hugely wide of the mark.

And if you look at his season so far, you have to understand that there hasn?t been much to smile about because Schumacher has not had the rub of the green.

The DRS problems that Mercedes GP had early on seemed to affect him more than his team-mate Nico Rosberg. From what I hear, Schumacher had a bigger mountain to climb in having the confidence to commit to corners without knowing whether or not the airflow had reattached fully to the rear wing. That's no real surprise for a man who is at a different stage of his life and career to young team-mate Rosberg.

Then in China, when the team seemed to have got on top of the DRS issues, guess who it was that had the wing problem happen at exactly the wrong time in Q2?

In Turkey, Schumacher seemed more confident through practice ? he was certainly committed with the numbers of spins he had in practice ? but it failed to happen for him in Q3 for reasons that he could not explain at the time.

This is not to suggest that circumstances explain all about why Schumacher has not delivered so far this year ? because even he will concede that he is not the same driver he was when he was racking up win after win for Ferrari.
Michael Schumacher 2011 Turkish Grand Prix Mercedes
Schumacher's not over the hill yet LAT

Even though he is not in the hunt for victory and is enduring frustrations like Turkey, don't believe for a second that Schumacher is ready to walk from the sport just because from the outside he appeared to have had a nightmare Turkish GP ? and he muttered a great soundbite after the race.

For a man who has won seven world titles and 91 grands prix, battling for anything less than victories or podiums is not going to bring him 'big joy.'

But that doesn't mean he is not getting his kicks out of F1; it doesn't mean he is not committed to getting Mercedes GP right up there, and it doesn't mean that he is not capable of delivering when things finally do click together.

And it only when that happens will we see what 'big joy' really means for the 2011-spec Michael Schumacher. He is not finished yet.


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20krpm
foarte greu de citit articolul cu pricina, dar ce sa faci, daca asta e singurul, p-asta il postam. dupa mine, sa scrii un articol in care sa-l lauzi pe schumi dupa cursa din turcia e ca si cum ai incerca sa apuci un rahat de partea curata. sint de acord ca o cursa buna nu e neaparat atunci cind termini in motzu podiumului, dar hai sa consideram ca asta e exceptia, si ca de obicei o cursa buna se lasa cu multe puncte. ok? de un an si jumatate nu numai eu, ci toti fanii lui schumacher, asteapta sa-l vada cistigind, asteapta sa-l vada macar pe podium, asteapta sa-l vada macar in fata colegului de echipa... asteapta sa-l vada macar conducind o tura. in loc de asta, ma apuca furia cind il vad ruinind cursele altora cu manevre de neam prost. am pierdut socoteala de cite ori l-am vazut pe favoritul meu actual depasindu-l pe favoritul meu de alta data. si zau ca ma sperii cind vad o masina, in plina depasire, pe linie dreapta, fiind impinsa pe iarba de unu care vrea sa mentina pozitia a paishpea inca vreo juma de tur.

dar hai sa lasam deoparte drama lui schumacher, pentru ca formula 1 merita o impresie mult mai pozitiva in zilele astea. ce mi-a placut cel mai mult in turcia a fost respectul pe care l-am vazut la vettel. a facut masina muci, au stat bietii mecanici si i-au facut-o la loc ca sa aiba cu ce merge la calificari si la cursa. iar prima reactie a lui vettel, si dupa calificari, si dupa cursa, a fost sa le spuna multumesc. trebuie sa merg multa vreme inapoi, la montoya si la verstappen, ca sa-mi mai aduc aminte de ceva asemanator. ma bucur ca echipele de ingineri, de vreo doua sezoane incoace, incep sa fie din ce in ce mai publicizate, sa nu mai fie vorba doar de "eroul" care conduce masina.
f1anatic
Fiecare judeca si pricepe cit il duce mintea.
20krpm
zdau perfecta dreptate. macar tu ai postat judecata altuia.
Oana
niciun raspuns corect la intrebarea etapei, petrov fiind cel care a schimbat primul pneurile, insa avem record de puncte la pronostic. felicitari lui pejte, ce a reusit sa adune 76 pct dintr-o lovitura, urmat de azazel, cu 52 pct. in fruntea clasamentului general este Seri, cu un total de 119 pct.

@pejte, sa te gandesti la o intrebare pentru etapa din barcelona.
AZAZEL
cum pot sa vad si eu cursa asta ?
am pierdut-o.
Oana
descarc-o de aici: http://www.demonoid.me/files/details/2628123/002039310171/
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