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Lucian862006
Buna ziua tuturor. Ideea e simpla si cred ca s-au aflat mai multi in ipostaza mea. Cat de curand voi achizitiona o masina second-hand. Pana aici totul bine si normal. Chestia e ca, nu ma pricep deloc la mecanica. Partea si mai proasta e ca nici nu cunosc un mecanic auto pe care sa-l iau cu mine sa studieze masina. Asadar, in cazul acesta, cum ma asigur sa nu iau teapa ? Ma gandeam sa pun masina pe tester. Ma refer la testerele de la reprezentante. Deci, vrei sa-ti cumperi Renault, mergi la reprezentanta Renault si o pui pe tester. Vrei VW, mergi la VW la reprezentanta si o pui pe tester. Ideea e ca, nu stiu ce date aflii cu aceste testere. Cat de destepte sunt acestea ? Chiar ieri navigam pe un forum VW celebru in Romania si am ramas socat de o chestie. Eu stiam pana ieri ca testerul iti arata cati KM reali are masina. Sau macar incearca. Ei bine, se pare ca cel putin la VW, la motoarele pe benzina, nu arata. La nici un motor nu poate sa citeasca. Si, la dieseluri, doar la cateva. Am ramas stupefiat. As dori sa stiu daca numai la VW e chestia asta sau la toate marcile e asa ? Ce citeste de fapt un tester din acesta ? Si , mai important, avand in vedere ipostaza in care ma aflu ( paralel la mecanica) cum fac sa nu iau teapa ? Ma duc la reprezentanta cu vanzatorul si ii zic la mecanicul de acolo sa inspecteze masina ? Sau cum ? Multumesc mult anticipat pentru raspunsuri si va rog ajutati-ma. Cred ca nu sunt/am fost singurul in aceasta situatie.
Asa per ansamblu stiu sa ma uit la masina. Adica sa vad daca sunt diferente de coluare, daca volanul/scaunul soferului/schimbatorul/pedalele sunt uzate. Desi-i nici astea nu sunt asa de relevante. Am inteles ca unii schimba aceste componente sa arate ca noi. La fel am auzit si cu cartea service ca se poate maslui foarte usor.
klm
CITAT(Lucian862006 @ Aug 24 2009, 11:45 AM) *
Ei bine, se pare ca cel putin la VW, la motoarele pe benzina, nu arata. La nici un motor nu poate sa citeasca.

La VW se poate citi cu un simplu laptop dotat cu o interfata (numita Vag-com) si nu se poate la reprezentanta?! putin probabil.
Testele sunt reprezentate de cifre care se verifica daca sunt intre parametri normali de functionare pentru piesa/ansamblul respectiv; am intalnit foarte putine cazuri in care nu se citeau anumite informatii (ce-i drept am vazut foarte putine teste) insa la fiecare caz in parte se umblase (neprofesionist) la ECU.
Informatii mai aprofundate poti primi de la alti colegi de forum, eu iti spun doar ca un test iti va oferi aproape tot ce ai nevoie ca sa alegi in cunostinta de cauza.
Cristi2
Nu la toate masinile VW se poate citi cu VAG -COM numarul de km reali. Iar la unele masini s-au modificat km pana si in asa-zis-ul loc safe.
DORU
Nu se pot citi benzinarele VAG dar se pot citi unele din dieselurile VAG, in principal cele cu EDC15 ca generatie de ECU. Si nici acelea toate...depinde de an fabricatie si de implementarea functiei respective in ECU. Insa poti afla multe alte lucruri interogand dupa defecte controllerele aflate pe masina. thumbsup.gif
Lucian862006
Deci sa inteleg ca testerul arata parametrii in care functioneaza motorul ? Anumite cifre sau mai stiu eu. Si dupa cifrele alea se poate calcula uzura motorului ?
James Kilowatt
Trebuie sa fie unul f f bun care sa iti spuna uzura motorului dupa datele afisate de tester. Unii mai "ghicesc" dupa long si short fuel trim, dupa temperatura gazelor, etc, insa e relativ empiric si putini se pricep sa ghiceasca pe bune.

Daca vrei sa afli mai sigur uzura motorului mai bine masori compresia, nu poate sa coste prea mult si nici nu dureaza cine stie ce.
DORU
Tester-ul interpreteaza niste coduri de eroare si da indicatii asupra problemei de rezolvat ! thumbsup.gif
Lucian862006
OK. Deci, testerul e mai util doar in cazul unei defectiuni nu si pentru a afla starea generala a masinii. Cu motorul am rezolvat-o sa zicem prin testul de compresie. Dar, ma mai intereseaza daca urmatoarele subansamble se manifesta intr-un fel inainte de a ceda. Si anume : cutia de viteze si ambreiajul. Banuiesc ca nu exista test pentru asa ceva. Dar, un mecanic, si-ar putea da seama cumva daca e pe duca sau nu una din aceste componente ? Daca da, cum ? Daca la ambreiaj iti cam dai seama daca patineaza sau nu, cutia se manifesta in vre-un fel cu catva timp inainte sa "pice" ?
Si ultima nedumerire : Cum aflu daca sasiul e deformat sau puntile nu sunt aliniate perfect ? Exista un aparat special care masoara chestiile astea ? Multumesc mult celor care isi macina nervii cu un "noob" ca si mine.
James Kilowatt
Ambreiajul cand patineaza e deja prea tarziu.
Geometria rotilor si poate masura si repara. In general semnele de geometrie aiurea sunt volan care trage, scartait in curbe chiar la viteze mici, si uzura dubioasa la pneuri.
Ca sa te feresti de sasiu stramb, trebuie sa te feresti de masini lovite. cei care se pricep stiu unde sa se uite ca sa vada daca au fost revopsite sau sudate. Eu am avut surpriza asta cu Nubira, si nu m-am prins, m-am prins abia cand am lovit-o eu din nou si mi-a aratat tinichigiul care a reparat-o unde mai fusese umblat. Oricum, nu orice masina care a fost reparata e stramba, insa e bine sa te feresti oricum.
G e o r g e
dar de ce nu o duci intr-o reprezentanta ? sau mai bine sa iei o masina SH de la o reprezentanta care da si garantie ?
Lucian862006
Pai asta-i ideea George. Ma hotarasc asupra unui model, si vreau sa o duc la reprezentanta. Dar acolo nu stiu ce sa cer/intreb ca sa aflu ce vreau eu. O duc acolo si ce zic ? Vreau o verificare generala ? Sau cum ? Vorbesc direct cu mecanicul si ii explic ce si cum ? Sau "receptionerul" stie despre ce e vorba si ce sa-i zica mecanicului ? Masina SH din reprezentanta nu. In primul rand nu se incadreaza in bugetul meu ( daca ar fi 15000 de euro s-ar putea sa iau si aceasta ipoteza in calcul) si in plus, in Romanica noastra mai este cale foarte lunga pana sa se comporte cu tine cum trebuie. In majoritatea cazurilor " a fost vina ta" si da-i in judecata si umbla cu ei prin judecati pana castigi. Nu nu. Mai avem mult pana ne schimbam mentalitatea de "smecheras". Chiar si in reprezentante.
DORU
QUOTE (Lucian862006 @ Aug 28 2009, 08:34 AM) *
OK. Deci, testerul e mai util doar in cazul unei defectiuni nu si pentru a afla starea generala a masinii.


Dimpotriva, tester-ul iti da o imagine completa asupra starii masinii, acolo unde producatorul a dotat-o cu controllere care sa monitorizeze starea lucrurilor.
G e o r g e
e simplu, dupa mine. te duci in reprezentanta si le zici : vreau o verificare completa , ce trebuie schimbat la masina si un deviz estimativ . atat de simplu.
si ca o nota personala : pot sa fie anumite lucruri care sa scape si celui mai bun mecanic . suntem toti oameni si suntem supusi greselii.
chiar daca masina iese tipla la verificare poate sa aibe lucruri care nici vechiul proprietar nu le stia si nici mecanicul sa nu le gaseasca .
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