criza financiara a lovit si in WRC... dupa ce, ieri, suzuki a anuntat ca nu va mai participa in campionatul viitor, astazi, subaru a luat aceeasi decizie...
http://www.wrc.com/jsp/index.jsp?lnk=101&a...0of%20the%20WRC
practic, in campionat au mai ramas doar citroen si ford si tare mi-e frica ca asta va fi inceputul sfarsitului...
Full Version: Subaru s-a retras din WRC
sper sa nu fie<inceputul sfarsitului> ,poate se vor gandi la o startegie de reducere a cheltuielilor.. ceva similar cu F1
chiar imi pare rau...pe bune... skoda ce face, mai este sau nu in carti? pe ford nu as paria prea mult...daca nu se rezolva problemele din State, prevad o scadere masiva atat a productiei, cat si a cheltuielilor de promovare, printre primele "taiate" fiind fondurile diviziei de racing...ramane Citroen, da' nu are nici un sens sa se bata singuri...
QUOTE (adrian_flavius @ Dec 16 2008, 08:56 AM) 
chiar imi pare rau...pe bune... skoda ce face, mai este sau nu in carti? pe ford nu as paria prea mult...daca nu se rezolva problemele din State, prevad o scadere masiva atat a productiei, cat si a cheltuielilor de promovare, printre primele "taiate" fiind fondurile diviziei de racing...ramane Citroen, da' nu are nici un sens sa se bata singuri...
Mai mutl ca sigur vor reveni in 2010 cind se vor introduce regulamentele S2000; aici seful de la Subaru exprima aceasta dorinta. Apoi, Subaru va fi reprezentata de echipa norvegiana ADAPTA si probabil chiar de Prodrive
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/72500
Regulamentul Super-S2000 insa va forta Subaru sa construiasca o noua masina - lucru care probabil a dezamagit firma Subaru si ca prima reactie a insemnat retragerea din campionat.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/72436
QUOTE
The rally commission had a meeting last week where they hammered out the blueprint of the new WRC regulations that will go into effect from 2010. They will try to get them approved at the council meeting on March 26.
On this meeting it was a new tone amongst the participants; FIA, manufacturers and ISC the media rights holder. Since the last meeting the change was that now that all worked for the same target, a cheaper and more low-tech WR Car.
The most important things in the new rules are printed in the latest Autosport, and I will try to put in a condensed version here.
Engine: Will be based on a S2000 engine, and a standard Turbo will be added, to get more torque, but not much more hp's than 270-280 that S2000 has today.
Transmission: Semi automatic boxes are out. Sequential box is in. Hydraulics on any of the diffs are out, mechanical diffs at all 3 places in.
Electronics: Much more standard ECU, closer to a road car. Therefor: Launch control out, toghether with all the rest of the electronic controls they have today.
Brakes: Brakes will be smaller than today, especially the asphalt brakes. Water injection to cool them is out.
Interior: Will look much more spartan and simple than today. Much because of the loss of all the electronics. Just gauges for pressures and temperatures will be there.
Exterior: Will keep the large rear wing that they have today. Both for giving more downforce, but also to separate them from the S2000 cars.
They are aiming to write the regs to try to make it difficult to use the WRC in any other championship than WRC, but as they are saying; we do not dictate the national governing bodies - so lets see.
Implementation: They aim to implement from 2010, and since the last version of todays WR Car will get homologated in 09, they will be allowed in the championship in 2010 in de tuned version, for non prioritized drivers, but not in 2011.
We are doing this to save money, and by that getting more manufacturers into WRC says Morrie Chandler to Autosport, and he is hoping for 7 manufacturers in 2010.
On this meeting it was a new tone amongst the participants; FIA, manufacturers and ISC the media rights holder. Since the last meeting the change was that now that all worked for the same target, a cheaper and more low-tech WR Car.
The most important things in the new rules are printed in the latest Autosport, and I will try to put in a condensed version here.
Engine: Will be based on a S2000 engine, and a standard Turbo will be added, to get more torque, but not much more hp's than 270-280 that S2000 has today.
Transmission: Semi automatic boxes are out. Sequential box is in. Hydraulics on any of the diffs are out, mechanical diffs at all 3 places in.
Electronics: Much more standard ECU, closer to a road car. Therefor: Launch control out, toghether with all the rest of the electronic controls they have today.
Brakes: Brakes will be smaller than today, especially the asphalt brakes. Water injection to cool them is out.
Interior: Will look much more spartan and simple than today. Much because of the loss of all the electronics. Just gauges for pressures and temperatures will be there.
Exterior: Will keep the large rear wing that they have today. Both for giving more downforce, but also to separate them from the S2000 cars.
They are aiming to write the regs to try to make it difficult to use the WRC in any other championship than WRC, but as they are saying; we do not dictate the national governing bodies - so lets see.
Implementation: They aim to implement from 2010, and since the last version of todays WR Car will get homologated in 09, they will be allowed in the championship in 2010 in de tuned version, for non prioritized drivers, but not in 2011.
We are doing this to save money, and by that getting more manufacturers into WRC says Morrie Chandler to Autosport, and he is hoping for 7 manufacturers in 2010.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_2000#Specifications
Oricum cei de la Citroen au zis ca dupa sezonul din 2009 se retrag, se duc in DTM 
Naspa. Subaru chiar se regasea in aceste raliuri, chiar daca ultimii ani nu au fost chiar cei mai buni.
Nasol. Fara concurenta nu exista evolutie...
Subaru era un competitor bun.
Bine, eu tot fan Citroen raman la capitolul asta...
Subaru era un competitor bun.
Bine, eu tot fan Citroen raman la capitolul asta...
QUOTE (mike.omega @ Dec 16 2008, 06:32 PM)
Oricum cei de la Citroen au zis ca dupa sezonul din 2009 se retrag, se duc in DTM
pai ramane doar ford?
se duce de rapa o competitie ce era o minune.
audi s-au retras din american lemans series.
vw touareg se pare ca s-au retras din dakar si ei erau singurii care se mai opuneau mitsubishi.
f1 se duce si ea re rapa. s-ar putea sa sara si toyota din schema.
Ce urmeaza,Ferrari sa se retraga din F1 ? 
reragerea din wrc va insemna vinzari mai putine pentru subaru. subaru a vindut mult pe baza imaginii obtinute acolo, cel putin in europa.
cine are palamaresul subaru din cei 20 de ani de wrc?
poate sa il puna aici pe forum?!
poate sa il puna aici pe forum?!
QUOTE (AZAZEL @ Dec 27 2008, 02:17 PM)
cine are palamaresul subaru din cei 20 de ani de wrc?
poate sa il puna aici pe forum?!
poate sa il puna aici pe forum?!
Subaru WRT
CITAT(mike.omega @ Dec 16 2008, 06:32 PM)
Oricum cei de la Citroen au zis ca dupa sezonul din 2009 se retrag, se duc in DTM
Se pare ca dupa retragerea Subaru si Suzuki din WRC, Citroen va mai lansa o echipa; Olivier Quesnel (directorul diviziei sport) a confirmat prezenta echipei Citroen Junior Team care ii va avea ca piloti pe Chris Atkinson (fost pilot al echipei Subaru), Sebastian Ogier (campionul categoriei Junior in 2008), Conrad Rautenbach si Evgeny Novikov (un debutant de 18 ani).
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