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post Apr 12 2011, 11:37 PM
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Bon, de ieri incepand calaresc masina maicamii, un clio 3 1.4 16v, honda fiind in service.

Am descoperit o problema, pe care maicamea mi-a semnalat-o de ceva timp, dar la mine nu s-a manifestat. Uneori apare un tremurat pe franare, dar doar in ~50% din cazuri sa zic. S-a intensificat de ceva timp, cand condusesem eu masina inainte nu a facut deloc in vreo 40km de fataiala prin oras.

Azi am dat jos rotile fata si pe stanga am descoperit ca discul arata groaznic si are o lovitura:
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acum intrebarile:
1.este vreo legatura intre lovitura si tremurat? eu tremuratul in asociez mai degraba cu o uzura inegala a placutelor, nu vad cum ar putea tremura din cauuza discului lovit in muchie.
2. cu discul ala se mai poate face ceva sau e de schimbat de urgenta?





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post Apr 12 2011, 11:42 PM
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Eu zic ca are de-a face. Pana la urma daca lovitura aia a modificat suprafata plana de franare a discului atunci e normal sa tremure asa. E ca la ovalizarea discurilor. Parerea mea e ca nu mai e bun si trebuie schimbat.


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post Apr 12 2011, 11:46 PM
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Pune discul ala pe un ax si invarte-l cu ceva viteza si o sa vezi ce aiurea face. Apoi o sa-ti raspunzi singur la intrebarea daca trebuie schimbat de urgenta.


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post Apr 13 2011, 12:15 AM
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da, cred ca aveti dreptate. maine comand discuri. daca placutele mai merg le pot folosi pe discurile noi?

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post Apr 13 2011, 12:20 AM
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Eu am fost campion la uzura inegala a placutelor si nu tremura nimic.


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post Apr 13 2011, 01:23 AM
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Schimba discurile, fara discutie. (asta include geometrie obligatorie si echilibrare de roti). La discuri noi sunt necesare macar alte placute daca nu placute noi deoarece ovalizarea discurilor le-a afectat.


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post Apr 13 2011, 08:09 AM
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De acord cu alias wink.gif


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post Apr 13 2011, 09:04 AM
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Avand in vedere ca pretul placutelor e apa de ploaie, si eu zic ca daca tot umbli sa le schimbi si pe alea, manopera oricum e aceeasi.


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Dat fiindca umbli acolo eu le-as schimba, acum depinde si de uzura lor si de cum se prezinta (ciobite cu gaurele in suprafata de frecare, ovalizate etc).

Dar nu este nevoie sa schimbi placutele daca schimbi discul. Poti sa le si schimbi intre ele, dar ce este important este sa folosesti procedura corecta pt prima utilizare a placutelor de frina. Cu alte cuvinte, trebuie sa le gai intr-un ciclu de frinare agresiva astfel incit sa se depuna un strat de material din placute ...pe disc...iar placutele sa se oceasca suficient incit sa se contureze perfect pe disc. Nu iti fa griji - placutele de frina sint facute sa se toceasca si se vor contura repede pe disc. Doar nu te crede Schumacher in primele citeva zile, sau mai repede chiar - daca folosesti procedura de mai jos.

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post Apr 13 2011, 11:24 PM
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f1anatic, cam asa judecam si eu thumbsup.gif

decizia a fost luata: am comandat discuri brembo si placute ferodo premier.

sper sa rezolv tremuratul ca ma dispera.



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post Apr 14 2011, 12:46 PM
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ma facushi sa rad cu lacrimi 36182451.gif 36182451.gif cu lovitura ta cu tot .. aia nu e lovitura asa e discu uita te si la celalalt . la cum arartau discurile trebuiau schimbate , deja vad ca se exfoliaza partea aia de sus . ideea e ca se incalzeau tare si se deformau , de aici tremuratul acela random. fenomenul exact ca la placa de presiuna/volanta la ambreiaj . cand se incalzeste se deformeaza una si iti tremura la plecarea dupa loc.

cand schimbi discurile tre sa schimbi obligatoriu si placutzele. nu se pun cele folosite sub nici o forma ... nu tre sa faci geometrie la roti .

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post Apr 14 2011, 12:59 PM
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Arata rau de tot discurile. Cati km au?


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QUOTE (vio @ Apr 14 2011, 12:46 PM) *
ma facushi sa rad cu lacrimi 36182451.gif 36182451.gif cu lovitura ta cu tot .. aia nu e lovitura asa e discu uita te si la celalalt . la cum arartau discurile trebuiau schimbate , deja vad ca se exfoliaza partea aia de sus . ideea e ca se incalzeau tare si se deformau , de aici tremuratul acela random. fenomenul exact ca la placa de presiuna/volanta la ambreiaj . cand se incalzeste se deformeaza una si iti tremura la plecarea dupa loc.


tu vb serios ca asa e discul? pe dreapta nu am sesizat asta...
mie imi parea lovitura.

40.000 km au. si mie mi se pare ca arata rau de tot, alea de la honda au aproape 55.000, mult mai abuzate si par noi pe langa astea.

in fine, am luat azi discuri si placute, maine le montez.


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post Apr 14 2011, 06:57 PM
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Si cum ar fi putut discul sa fie lovit de ceva sau cumva?! Ca nu prea se leaga...


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post Apr 14 2011, 07:46 PM
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QUOTE (mike.omega @ Apr 14 2011, 06:57 PM) *
Si cum ar fi putut discul sa fie lovit de ceva sau cumva?! Ca nu prea se leaga...



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post Apr 14 2011, 07:48 PM
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Intre janta si disc? Mi se pare putin probabil pentru o masina condusa in oras smile.gif


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post Apr 14 2011, 08:40 PM
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M-am tot uitat in pozele puse de dragos si sincer nu pot sa cred ca e o lovitura de pietroi/bolovan/bordura. Daca se face zoom pe poze, se vad niste margini perfecte iesite in evidenta de fiecare parte a discului... acolo unde sunt "lovite". Plus ca sunt simetrice unsure.gif Daca era lovitura .. s-ar fi vazut ceva urmari si pe foita aceia de tabla de protectie a discului...

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post Apr 14 2011, 08:53 PM
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Nu e nicio lovitura acolo. Asa este discul.
In schimb arata groaznic. Prezinta uzura mare a suprafetei de contact cu placutele, dar ce ma uimeste e modul cum arata retul discului.
Eu am 95.000km si nu arata nici pe sfertul celor de fata.


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Asa este discul smile.gif
Am scos azi o roata la Yaris si am si eu acel semn, doar ca este mult mai lung.
Ca idee cred ca o sa imi schimb si eu discurile cat de curand.
Placutele mai au 3-4 mm iar discul 20.65 mm din 22 mm. Minimul este 19 mm


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post May 19 2011, 04:17 PM
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masina a stat vreo 3 saptamani pe bara, iar luni a primit discuri brembo si placute ferodo premier. tremuratul a disparut.

mecanicul care mi le-a schimbat a zis ca n-a mai vazut niciodata un disc care sa arate atat de rau la 40.000 km...


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