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This topic is about versus la scutere, the author, James Kilowatt, wrote about: Prima chinezarie a fost fiabila, a facut dublul de kilometri fara probleme grave (dincolo de un fir rupt sau d-astea). Acum imi pare rau c-am dat-o... ... To read more just scroll down

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James Kilowatt
post Oct 10 2014, 12:05 PM
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Prima chinezarie a fost fiabila, a facut dublul de kilometri fara probleme grave (dincolo de un fir rupt sau d-astea). Acum imi pare rau c-am dat-o...
Asta a doua insa e un rahat cu spume.

In ianuarie la noi e salonul auto, moment de reduceri si negocieri. Evident ca o sa mai incerc si in afara perioadei de salon, insa am impresia ca astia de la Honda nu vor sa vanda, nu fac nici cel mai mic efort. Am impresia asta de mai bine de 4 ani, de cand imi cautam masina.

Promotia aia de 10€ de acum 2 ani nu-i banc, e absolut adevarata.


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post Oct 10 2014, 03:27 PM
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Te cred. Cand investigam pentru masina sotiei la SAB ne-am oprit si la Honda. Ceva mai rigizi, dar bine pregatiti, stii genul "Compania noastra", "Honda are un motz in plus, nu se compara cu celelalte masini", corporate bla, bla - probabil ca ofera discount doar daca finalizeaza dealul si nu se complica pana atunci. O impresie proasta mi-au lasat altii...


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post Oct 11 2014, 06:31 AM
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Honda Vision mi se pare alegerea cea mai buna. Daca luai unu d-asta bun din prima, cred ca erai mai castigat. Inainte sa dai banii pe un alt scuter, gandeste-te bine daca nu vrei motocicleta in urmatorii doi ani.

Eu daca dau de un dealer d-asta infumurat, il tratez si eu jalnic. Pana la urma eu daca stiu ca vreau sa cumpar, nu ma descurajez din cauza unui mucios d-asta infumurat, ptr ca produsul ala ca imi place si il vreau.
Eu i-as spune in fata aluia de la Honda sa lasa figurile, ca nu vinde Pagani Zonda sau Rolls Royce.


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James Kilowatt
post Oct 11 2014, 08:48 PM
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I-am contactat si n-au nici Vision nici SH disponibile pentru test... m-au trimis la niste vanzatori "generici" de scuter dry.gif

As vrea moto, insa n-am permis. Daca o sa am timp sa iau permis moto, pot sa iau SI motocicleta, asa pentru plimbare. Insa pentru frecat prin oras in scop "utilitar" scuterul n-are rival.

@Mircanu
Tie ce-ti place mai mult la Vision decat la SH?

Rasnitele astea de 50cc au avut rolul lor... sa-mi puna ghidonul in mana, sa invat un pic de mecanica scuteristica, sa evit sa ma sinucid in primii 50km, sa stiu ce sa caut si la ce sa ma uit la urmatorul, etc. Probabil ca daca nu treceam prin faza asta si luam din prima unul mai serios as fi ales un asa-zis GT ca arata mai cool, insa cu astea mergi fain pe centura, insa nu poti s-o faci pe tarzan printre masini, si cu un pepene de 15 kile la picioare e exemplu teehee.gif


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post Oct 12 2014, 04:20 AM
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Greutatea. Visionul e mai usor si mai manevrabil. Vezi cum e pe ele, incearca-le. Deja, la 134 de kile ajungi in segmentul de greutatea al motoclicletelor, astea incep de la 140-150 de kile, depinde de model si de cilindree.
Parerea mea.....

Hai ca esti comic cu invatatul mecanicii la scutere. Ai invatat, ptr ca s-a stricat agregatul, daca era fiabil, nu trebuia sa te murdaresti pe maini. Nu te amagi. Chinezariile astea, te bucuri ca dai putini bani pe ele insa dupa ceva vreme incepi sa regreti.


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post Oct 12 2014, 07:58 AM
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Incerc sa ma dau cu un SH azi sa vad cu ce se mananca. Cu Vision deja m-am dat mai de multisor si mi-a placut. M-am mai dat la Honda cu unul, care nu mi s-a parut rau, insa m-am dat doar in curtea lor, organizasera un fel de "scoala de moto", asa ca nu pot spune mare lucru. Era poate PCX, insa nu sunt sigur.

Un carburator infundat, o modificare de vario, un reglaj de supape, o derestrictionare, o din asta se practica la orice scuter, indiferent de marca, intra daca vrei la "intretinere". Ok, unele acum au injectie (insa sunt inca rare), sa vedem cat e de fiabila. Chestiile care insa sunt specifice la chinezaria mea si pe care le pot pune pe seama calitatii au fost altele, gen aparatori rupte, rezervor spart, relee vechi inca de cand erau noi... chestii care nu le-am avut la prima chinezarie. Si asta desi chienezaria noua n-a stat sub zapada ca aia veche.


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James Kilowatt
post Oct 12 2014, 05:29 PM
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Am fost și m-am dat cu sh-ul. Un sh... Sh. Adică are o luna vechime, si 53 km.
E faina dracovenia și merge bine. Stabila, mai ales la viteze mari și silentioasa, comparabila cu vision la capitolul asta. Frâne faine, poziție ok, nu e prea înaltă. Raza de bracaj e incredibil de scurta. Mi-a plăcut.

Totuși la viteze mici nu are lejeritatea la slalom al unei paraitori cu roti mici și 40 kile în minus. Greutatea suplimentara se simte când îl înclini mai mult (când treci de exemplu printre o bordura și un retrovizor).
Tot la capitolul minusuri, are portbagaj minuscul. Adică e cam la jumătate fata de cel de la chinezaria mea. Noroc că are topcase, ca altfel n-ai avea unde să lași o cască întreaga. Nu mai țin minte cat e la vision portbagajul Însă sigur e mai mare.

O sa încerc sa mai văd încă o data și un vision și apoi ma hotărăsc.

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post Jan 24 2015, 05:15 PM
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Sa redeschidem discutia:

Azi am fost la un dealer Honda independent si am negociat "conditii salon" la SH Mode si la Vision 110. La ambele au facut un discount de 180€ (fata de 10€ anul trecut e de bine biggrin.gif).

Canditatele sunt deci SH Mode:

Roti: spate 14, fata 16
116kile cu plinul facut
1930x665X1105
Garda la sol 145mm, inaltimea seii 765mm
125cc, 8.4Kw (11CP), 12Nm, injectie, racire cu apa, rezervor 5.5l, consum declarat 2.11l/100km
Start&Stop deconectabil, frane CBS (aia de la salon de la Honda sunt boi, au scris ABS in loc de CBS)
Pret (cu tot cu promotie): 2650€

Au una alba si una neagra in stoc.

Vision110:
Roti 16"
102kile
1845x670x1090mm,
inaltimea seii 785mm, garda la sol 120mm
108cc, 6,2Kw (8CP), 8.7Nm, injectie, racire cu aer, rezervor 5.5, consum declarat 1.9L/100km
Frane CBS
Pret promotional: 2150€

Au una neagra mat si una rosie in stoc.

Alegerea e foarte tampita. SH Mode e mai puternica si mai stabila (e mai joasa si mai lunga).
Insa stabilitatea e si dezavantajul principal: Vision e mai manevrabila, e simte imediat, si pare gandita special pentru asta, roata din fata e mai retrasa decat la SH. Pe mine manevrabilitatea la viteze mici ma atrage mai tare decat stabilitatea la viteze mari. Avantaj Vision.
Insa SH pare mai future proof, si pentru mine e si asta important pentru ca fac putini km, deci daca nu imi face probleme e posibil s-o tin mult timp. Avantaj SH.

Am o saptamana cica sa ma hotarasc (daca nu raman fara fonduri).... asa ca astept argumente si pro si contra.



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post Jan 25 2015, 12:42 PM
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Cel neagru! Rosu nu-ti sade bine. Albele se murdaresc. Daca pretul inclina balanta atunci ia-l pe cel negru mat! Simplu.

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post Jan 27 2015, 09:33 AM
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daca ti a placut vision e mai avantajoasa pentru ca nu pierzi minim 500 euro din start... ti a placut la teste deci iti e suficienta desi e mai slaba putin ca un sh, e mai economica.
alege culoarea mai vizibila zic eu (alb sau rosu) etc.


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