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post Oct 26 2009, 10:59 PM
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Pai rebel, hai sa-ti explic de ce cred eu asta despre tine. Competenta mea in domeniul asta e mica. Adica am mai aruncat un ochi pe cite un site, stiu si eu diferenta intre repetari putine cu greutati mari si repetari multe cu greutati mici, da cam atit. Ce tin minte insa de prin scoala elementara e ca muschiul primeste glucoza prin singe. Nu ia direct grasimea de linga el. Nu ma hazardez sa spun care cred eu ca e drumul grasimii de la stratul de pe burta pina ajunge sa fie folosita cumva de organism ca nu-l stiu sigur, dar mi-e destul de clar ca nu o ia pe "scurtaturi" pina la muschiul cel mai apropiat.

Iarasi nu e mare taina ca slabesti daca arzi calorii, si anume mai multe decit maninci si ajung in tine. Daca tragi de un muschi mic, si atit, n-ai cum sa slabesti. Trebuie sa tragi de niste muschi mari care pot sa arda mai multe calorii.

Deci cam asta e ce ma duce pe mine capul, dar in rest mi-e clar ca sint pe aici oameni care se pricep mai bine ca mine. Mi-ar fi greu sa ma iau in gura cu ei bazat pe ce mi s-a intimplat mie si altor doi amici, pentru ca aia nu e observatie stiintifica ci e coincidenta. Mai ales daca n-are sens cind aplici principiile de baza de mai sus. In general mi-ar fi greu sa ma cert cu tot felul de inisi despre tot felul de chestii de care n-am habar, nu conteaza ca e fitness, vaccinuri sau fluorul in apa. Ce nu inteleg eu la tine e de ce consideri unele surse foarte indoielnice (tot felul de site-uri de doi lei, sau observatii personale) mai bune decit alte surse infinit mai serioase dar probabil plictsitor de mainstream.


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post Oct 27 2009, 02:20 PM
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Care este greutatea normala (a se citi ideala) a unui barbat cu o inaltime de 1,71 m ? Si care ar trebui sa fie diamertul bratului (biceps) in stare flasca (neincordata)?


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post Oct 27 2009, 02:24 PM
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nu exista date precise . tine de conformatia fiecaruie .
in mod normal la 1.71 , vreo 70-71 kg , dar depinde . eu la 1.87 si 87 kg sunt piele si os .
apoi , dimensiunea bratului tine de vizual . bodybuildingul este un sport vizual. eu am 44 acum , dar mie mi se par mici bratele (Adica sunt ok pe langa mine dar nu mari)

cine m-a vazut la danes poate sa zica daca am bratele mari sau nu, mie mi se par normale acum .

la 1.71 si 44 in brat ai fi popeye marinarul biggrin.gif


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post Oct 28 2009, 06:46 AM
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QUOTE (getodac @ Oct 27 2009, 09:20 AM) *
Care este greutatea normala (a se citi ideala) a unui barbat cu o inaltime de 1,71 m ? Si care ar trebui sa fie diamertul bratului (biceps) in stare flasca (neincordata)?



Pentru numeroase studii clinice se folosea cu precadere formula lui Lorentz (care n-o stiu teehee.gif ); ulterior au aparut diverse formule, care mai de care mai complexe (in functie de sex, in functie de constitutie, circumferinta bustului sau alte bazaconii).
Se pare ca cea mai buna formula ar fi formula lui Unu' (astuia i-am uitat numele smile.gif) care zice ca greutatea ideala ar fi inaltimea impartit la 2.4. Deci la 180 cm greutatea ideala ar fi 75 kg. Asta era aplicabila la ambele sexe.
Am auzit si pareri ca greutatea ideala ar fi data de ultimii doi digiti ai inaltimii : 180 cm -> 80 kg; dar parca e cam mult...

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post Oct 28 2009, 08:29 AM
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QUOTE (Rebel @ Oct 28 2009, 08:46 AM) *
Deci la 180 cm greutatea ideala ar fi 75 kg. Asta era aplicabila la ambele sexe.

du-te ma ... cam cum crezi ca ar arata o gagica la 1.80 si 75 kg .... sau mai bine , 1.65 si 60kg ? aaa ?

la barbati e aplicabila aia cu ultimele 2 cifre . dar repet , depinde de genetica . depinde de conformatia fiecaruia . depinde daca respectivul a facut sau nu sport. nu exista decat niste reguli in mare , nimic specific.


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post Oct 28 2009, 08:33 AM
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Eu la 1.80 si 80 kg aratam super slab asta in 93.
Acum de cate ori merg la vreun doctor si ma cantareste nu-i vine sa crada ce greutate am ca nu arat a 125 kg.
Sport am facut toata viatza de la inot la lupte la bodybuiding si powerlifting.
Aproape toti cred ca a fi de 125kg trebuie da fi si enorm de gras.


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post Oct 28 2009, 05:32 PM
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QUOTE (G e o r g e @ Oct 28 2009, 03:29 AM) *
QUOTE (Rebel @ Oct 28 2009, 08:46 AM) *
Deci la 180 cm greutatea ideala ar fi 75 kg. Asta era aplicabila la ambele sexe.

du-te ma ... cam cum crezi ca ar arata o gagica la 1.80 si 75 kg .... sau mai bine , 1.65 si 60kg ? aaa ?

la barbati e aplicabila aia cu ultimele 2 cifre . dar repet , depinde de genetica . depinde de conformatia fiecaruia . depinde daca respectivul a facut sau nu sport. nu exista decat niste reguli in mare , nimic specific.



Eu sunt de acord cu tine, dar iti garantez ca formula asta a fost folosita. Nici mie nu mi-ar place una de 1,65 si 60 de kile da' eu am zis ce stiu din cultura generala. La barbati se aplica treaba cu digitii + sau - cateva kg.

Deci ce stiam eu se numeste Formuala Lui Pende..

http://dieta.romedic.ro/diete/Formule_de_c...deale_0708.html

Eu personal consider ca treaba asta cu greutatea ideala e cam relativa. Sunt persoane a caror structura osoasa este mai grea decat a altora desi ara avea o inaltime similara. Din punctul meu de vedere, la barbati cred ca greutatea ideala se invarte undeva pe la ultimii doi digiti minus cateva kg.


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post Oct 28 2009, 06:02 PM
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Greutatea indeala e in functie si de varsta. La 16 ani poti avea 75 kile la 1.90 ca nu ai masa osoasa si musculara definite complet, la 40 ani ai arata ca un schelet tinut intr-o piele.


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post Oct 28 2009, 08:27 PM
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Orice formula care nu tine cont de virsta si mai ales sex e de rahat. De fapt cam orice formula e de rahat ca nu tine cont de individ. Si eu sint destul de greu ca am oase grele. Plus ca slanina e mai usoara decit muschiul, asa ca oamenii in forma sint mai grei decit aia pufosi la acelasi volum.
Eu cred ca greuatea "ideala" se poate determian vizual si tactil, cel putin pentru oamenii cu simtit estetic normal. Daca poti sa apuci bucati de slanina, ai burta, fund mare, pulpe, pai ai de unde slabi. Daca iti ies tot felul de oase prin piele probabil esti cam slab. Mai rau e cind ai si burta si oase care ies prin piele smile.gif.


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post Oct 28 2009, 08:49 PM
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eu am burta ! recunosc . dar atentie , port aceasi pantaloni ca la 95kg ! si acum am 110 ! unde sa fie greutatea suplimentara ?


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post Oct 28 2009, 08:59 PM
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Pai burta e blestemul barbatului... sint unii binecuvintati care nu o au dar restul dupa o virsta trebuie sa lupte permanent cu ea. La fel e fundul la femei.
Greutatea ta cred ca e in bicepsi... cam naspa cind inoti ca te tin cu capul la fund smile.gif.


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post Oct 28 2009, 09:02 PM
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singura problema e ca manecile de la sacou sunt un pic cam fixe :-/ foarte fixe .. da' noh


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QUOTE (Rebel @ Oct 28 2009, 05:32 PM) *
Eu personal consider ca treaba asta cu greutatea ideala e cam relativa. Sunt persoane a caror structura osoasa este mai grea decat a altora desi ara avea o inaltime similara. Din punctul meu de vedere, la barbati cred ca greutatea ideala se invarte undeva pe la ultimii doi digiti minus cateva kg.


Total de acord cu tine.
Mie nu si s-au dat niciodata kg pe care le am.Deh, oase grele!


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post Nov 22 2009, 03:54 PM
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update:
dupa ce am reununtat de ceva timp sa mai mananc seara ... mai exact dupa ora 5 nu mai mananc decat rar (a se intelege o data la 2 saptamani sau o data pe saptamana , in functie de evenimentele pe unde petrec smile.gif ) , am slabit vreo 3.5kg.

bratele se mentin la un 44cm .

triceps impins am facut cu 120kg 4 repetari.

in rest atrenamentul meu a inceput sa treaca din masa spre definire la brate . restul inca sunt la stadiul de a pune masa pe ele .

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QUOTE (G e o r g e @ Nov 22 2009, 09:54 AM) *
in rest atrenamentul meu a inceput sa treaca din masa spre definire la brate . restul inca sunt la stadiul de a pune masa pe ele .

Chestia asta nu pusca deloc. Nu poti sa faci definire doar la anumite grupe si masa la altele.
Ori toate ori niciuna. Factorul 99% important e alimentatia.
George sincer la 44 nu ai ce stria.
Mai asteapta si tu un 4-6 cm in plus.
Asculta si tu de altii care stiu.
Daca ai nevoie de un trainer bun stiu unul in Bucuresti la tine.
Este unul din cei mai buni prieteni ai mei (top5) si e super bun.
Numele lui Calin Novacescu si pot sa-ti fac legatura cu el.


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QUOTE
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in rest atrenamentul meu a inceput sa treaca din masa spre definire la brate . restul inca sunt la stadiul de a pune masa pe ele .


Chestia asta nu pusca deloc. Nu poti sa faci definire doar la anumite grupe si masa la altele.
Ori toate ori niciuna. Factorul 99% important e alimentatia.


100% corect !

Stiu si ce vrea sa spuna George (ca a schimbat nr de repetari) dar e exact cum zice Otto !


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da bre ... ho , am schimbat numarul de repetari smile.gif) of of ... sariti voi in sus .
iar eu nu vreau striatii , nu am cum sa am asa ceva , in felul meu , adica natural 100% .

corpul meu nu e fibros . asta are avantaje : pun masa relativ usor, dar si dezavantaje : nu ma pot "stria"

nu vreau striatii , vreau definire la masa care o am acum , sper ca intelegeti. nu mi-am propus niciodata sa fac patratele samd , fac ce fac ca ma simt eu bine wink.gif
cat despre antrenori , e super ok ideea si mersi de oferta . daca o sa simt sa am nevoie , am avut de la inceput antrenori pe langa mine, o sa strig .

iar , cum alimentatia e foarte importanta pentru mine (adica eu traiesc sa mananc) nu o sa fiu deifnit .. oricum , dupa cum ziceam , nu asta e telul meu


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update : din motive de sanatate nu mai am voie la sala sad.gif acum mai fac usor usor acasa. poate o sa ma pot repara si o sa am voie din nou:) keep in touch


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Un documentar interesant, despre un tip normal care se apuca de un regim de bodybuilder si participa la un concurs dupa 6 luni:

http://vidreel.com/video/NTk0MDU0/
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