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> Dakar 2010, ...din America de Sud
Pronostic asupra castigatorului
Castigatorul la sectiunea masini va fi:
Mitsubishi [ 6 ] ** [54.55%]
Volkswagen [ 4 ] ** [36.36%]
BMW [ 1 ] ** [9.09%]
Altii [ 0 ] ** [0.00%]
Castigatorul la sectiunea motociclete va fi:
KTM [ 9 ] ** [81.82%]
Yamaha [ 1 ] ** [9.09%]
Altii [ 1 ] ** [9.09%]
Castigatorul la sectiunea camioane va fi:
Kamaz [ 7 ] ** [63.64%]
Man [ 4 ] ** [36.36%]
DAF [ 0 ] ** [0.00%]
Iveco [ 0 ] ** [0.00%]
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post Jan 9 2009, 03:27 AM
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eee se pare ca VW au castigat dakarul 2009 inca din etapa a 6-a.
cu bmw-ul eliminat si cu mitsu care abia se taraie pierzand timp de la o zi la alta, vw-urile touareg se afla dupa 6 zile pe primele 3 locuri fara a fi sanse sa fie ajunse de cineva.


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post Jan 9 2009, 01:20 PM
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Rezultatele etapei de ieri:

Cars:

1 NASSER SALEH AL ATTIYAH (QAT) 02:07:26
2 Giniel DE VILLIERS (RSA) 02:12:33 00:05:07.00
3 MARK MILLER (USA) 02:12:53 00:05:27.00
4 CARLOS SAINZ (ESP) 02:16:03 00:08:37.00
5 STEPHANE PETERHANSEL (FRA) 02:20:40 00:13:14.00
6 Joan (nani) ROMA (ESP) 02:21:46 00:14:20.00
7 KRZYSZTOF HOLOWCZYC (POL) 02:27:25 00:19:59.00
8 IVAR ERIK TOLLEFSEN (NOR) 02:44:40 00:37:14.00
9 ROBBY GORDON (USA) 02:44:56 00:37:30.00
10 Matthias KAHLE (GER) 02:45:20 00:37:54.00

Arabul a fost intr-adevar descalificat, asa ca acum clasamentul arata cam asa:

Car:

1 NASSER SALEH AL ATTIYAH 20:52:03
2 Giniel DE VILLIERS 20:59:34 + 00:07:31.00
3 CARLOS SAINZ 21:07:13 + 00:15:10.00
4 MARK MILLER 21:17:25 + 00:25:22.00
5 Joan (nani) ROMA 21:30:52 + 00:38:49.00
6 STEPHANE PETERHANSEL 21:34:01 + 00:41:58.00
7 ROBBY GORDON 22:11:21 + 01:19:18.00
8 KRZYSZTOF HOLOWCZYC 23:32:49 + 02:40:46.00
9 IVAR ERIK TOLLEFSEN 23:45:31 + 02:53:28.00
10 ORLANDO TERRANOVA 23:50:09 + 02:58:06.00

Moto:

1 MARC COMA 23:43:41
2 JONAH STREET 00:24:10 + 23:19:31.00
3 DAVID FRETIGNE 00:31:11 + 23:12:30.00
4 JORDI VILADOMS 00:53:29 + 22:50:12.00
5 PAL ANDERS ULLEVALSETER 00:56:54 + 22:46:47.00
6 Helder RODRIGUES 01:10:44 + 22:32:57.00
7 CYRIL DESPRES 01:17:40 + 22:26:-1.00
8 Frans VERHOEVEN 01:19:46 + 22:23:55.00
9 DAVID CASTEU 01:24:37 + 22:19:-4.00
10 Henk KNUIMAN 01:30:37 + 22:13:-4.00

Truck:

1 Gerard DE ROOY 22:13:05
2 FIRDAUS KABIROV 22:13:18 + 00:00:13.00
3 VLADIMIR CHAGIN 22:23:10 + 00:10:05.00
4 ILGIZAR MARDEEV 23:43:51 + 01:30:46.00
5 Franz ECHTER 00:20:45 + 21:52:20.00
6 TOMAS TOMECEK 00:48:19 + 21:24:46.00
7 Marek SPACIL 01:24:11 + 20:48:54.00
8 Hans STACEY 02:05:37 + 20:-7:28.00
9 ANDRE DE AZEVEDO 02:12:18 + 20:00:47.00
10 Wulfert VAN GINKEL 02:23:57 + 19:49:-8.00






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post Jan 10 2009, 02:33 PM
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l-au facut praf si pe asta... chiar m-ar bucura citeva falimente in industria auto, poate ne intoarcem iar la raliurile adevarate. cum a inceput si cum s-a terminat paris-dakar-ul... jalnic...


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post Jan 12 2009, 10:42 AM
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Air, nu stiu daca ai observat, dar VW este principalul SPONSOR al Dakar-ului din acest an...asta, plus lipsa de experienta a celor de la Mitsu pe partea de motorizari diesel, face ca situatia in clasament sa fie unde este...ce la vie...maine poimaine o sa discutam de un Dakar cu motorizari hibride...ca nu mai este mult...KTM face legea la clasa moto...

Oricum, pentru viitorul intrecerii, e un lucru bun ca Mitsu a mai pierdut din inertia aia cu care "curata" absolut toate intrecerile din domeniul rally-raid... creste un pic concurenta pentru viitor...


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post Jan 12 2009, 11:36 AM
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cum a pronit dakarul si cum a ajuns - ca toate sporturile cu motor organizate de europeni (F1, WRC-ul).
sincer, dupa ce-au iesit ai nostri din cursa nu m-a mai interesat. pe mine m-ar interesa mult mai mult o cursa intre masini "stock" decit una intre monstrii de uzina.


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post Jan 12 2009, 02:04 PM
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Saracul Bruno Saby, cred ca s-ar rasuci in mormant, sa vada cine participa la Dakar, si, mai ales, cine-l castiga...el a vrut un eveniment de masa, la care sa aiba acces mai ales omul simplu, cu o masina/motocicleta normala, preparata atat cat ii permitea bugetul personal...este un eveniment totusi mult prea important pentru piata auto pentru ca echipele de uzina sa nu participe...succesul Pajero in Dakar a insemnat vanzari de milioane de masini, pe intreg mapamondul...adica BANI...


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post Jan 12 2009, 03:35 PM
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adica voi sustineti ca vw nu merita sa castige dakarul si ca ar fi o insulta pt aceasta competitie un castigator ca vw?
aceasta marca a investit sume fabuloase in aceasta competitie si sa nu uitam ca ei sunt castigatorul moral al editiei 2007 cand au castigat 12 din cele 15 etape si numai ghinionul i-a impiedicat sa fie primii la finish.
editia 2007 a fost una serioasa?

iar investitii de zeci de milioane ale fiecaruia dintre marii constructori implicati in aceasta competitie se fac inca de acum 20 de ani. de ce tocmai in 2009 asta ar fi o problema?

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post Jan 12 2009, 04:49 PM
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Azazel, noi nu avem nimic cu VW...deloc...stim cati bani au investit...la fel ca si Mitsu, care de vreun deceniu si jumatate a bagat enorm in Dakar...la cat de eficienti sunt, eu zic ca VW nu mai pierde Dakar-ul de anul asta...problema era altfel: constructori (la total...) versus privati...acest raliu a fost gandit initial pentru amatori...ca nu ar fi rezistat pana in zilele noastre daca ar fi fost doar pentru amatori, cred ca nu contesta nimeni...numai ca a devenit o afacere de familie intre marii constructori...adica situatia este cam asa: cel care are cei mai multi bani de investit (ca se numeste Mitsu, VW, Citroen, BMW sau altfel, chiar nu conteaza...), acela castiga...in acest fel nici nu prea mai conteaza omul, ala simplu, care-si pune ban pe ban sa-si prepare o masina sau o motocicleta pentru Dakar, sa guste din aventura nisipurilor si a off-road-ului...de aici succesul unor raliuri locale, foarte "inchise", ca sa spun asa, care aduc o mare satisfactie celor mici, ca noi, care viseaza si ei la un pic de namol, rape, coclauri si, de ce nu, ceva dune de nisip...


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post Jan 13 2009, 04:35 PM
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Un colaj fotografic frumos, de la Dakar... laugh.gif


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post Jan 14 2009, 02:09 PM
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spiritul dakarului nu era si nici nu va fi banul bagat de vreo uzina. nu i-a invitat nimeni, ei au acaparat tot: organizatori, masini, trasee. sick.gif

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post Jan 15 2009, 02:12 PM
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Clasamenul dupa etapa de ieri:

Car:

1 CARLOS SAINZ 38:59:02
2 MARK MILLER 39:26:33 + 00:27:31.00
3 Giniel DE VILLIERS 39:40:15 + 00:41:13.00
4 Joan (nani) ROMA 40:12:15 + 01:13:13.00
5 ROBBY GORDON 40:33:40 + 01:34:38.00
6 IVAR ERIK TOLLEFSEN 44:13:20 + 05:14:18.00
7 KRZYSZTOF HOLOWCZYC 44:50:58 + 05:51:56.00
8 Rene KUIPERS 47:00:53 + 08:01:51.00
9 Dieter DEPPING 47:31:36 + 08:32:34.00
10 LASZLO PALIK 48:49:31 + 09:50:29.00

Moto:

MARC COMA 43:52:30
2 DAVID FRETIGNE 45:17:20 + 01:24:50.00
3 CYRIL DESPRES 45:23:41 + 01:31:11.00
4 JORDI VILADOMS 45:49:10 + 01:56:40.00
5 Helder RODRIGUES 45:58:08 + 02:05:38.00
6 DAVID CASTEU 46:00:15 + 02:07:45.00
7 PAL ANDERS ULLEVALSETER 46:04:12 + 02:11:42.00
8 Frans VERHOEVEN 46:18:04 + 02:25:34.00
9 Henk KNUIMAN 46:56:55 + 03:04:25.00
10 Paulo GONCALVES 47:20:18 + 03:27:48.00

Truck:

1 FIRDAUS KABIROV 40:01:23
2 VLADIMIR CHAGIN 40:01:37 + 00:00:14.00
3 Gerard DE ROOY 40:33:55 + 00:32:32.00
4 ILGIZAR MARDEEV 44:32:57 + 04:31:34.00
5 Franz ECHTER 45:38:02 + 05:36:39.00
6 ANDRE DE AZEVEDO 46:49:06 + 06:47:43.00
7 Marek SPACIL 50:25:59 + 10:24:36.00
8 ZOLTAN SZALLER 51:21:24 + 11:20:01.00
9 ALES LOPRAIS 51:40:41 + 11:39:18.00
10 PEP VILA ROCA 53:00:08 + 12:58:45.00

La moto se pare ca in castigator s-a desprins spaniolul Coma, iar la camioane bataia este intre rusi...Kamaz rules...la masini inca se mai disputa, dar VW se pare ca este castigatorul, si de facto, si moral, al acestui raliu...KTM ramane aceeasi marca omniprezenta la clasa moto...


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post Jan 16 2009, 01:58 AM
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sainz s-a rasturnat cu masina si a iesit din concurs dupa ce castigase in acest raliu 6 etape din 10.
mai raman doua VW. sper sa nu castige hummer raliul.


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post Jan 16 2009, 10:54 AM
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Doua VW, un Mitsu, un Hummer si pe urma restul...dom'le, ce inseamna un raliu Dakar...chiar Sainz a zis-o: nu te poti considera castigator pana nu treci de finish-ul ultimei etape...si parca a avut gura aurita...

Clasamentul dupa etapa de ieri:

Cars:

1 Giniel DE VILLIERS 43:46:58
2 MARK MILLER 43:49:33 + 00:02:35.00
3 ROBBY GORDON 45:05:50 + 01:18:52.00
4 IVAR ERIK TOLLEFSEN 49:35:19 + 05:48:21.00
5 KRZYSZTOF HOLOWCZYC 50:31:40 + 06:44:42.00
6 Joan (nani) ROMA 51:28:34 + 07:41:36.00
7 Dieter DEPPING 52:20:21 + 08:33:23.00
8 Miroslav ZAPLETAL 54:36:34 + 10:49:36.00
9 LEONID NOVITSKIY 57:06:04 + 13:19:06.00
10 Rene KUIPERS 58:19:14 + 14:32:16.00

Moto:

1 MARC COMA 47:51:30
2 CYRIL DESPRES 49:21:18 + 01:29:48.00
3 DAVID FRETIGNE 49:25:25 + 01:33:55.00
4 DAVID CASTEU 50:07:43 + 02:16:13.00
5 Helder RODRIGUES 50:15:34 + 02:24:04.00
6 PAL ANDERS ULLEVALSETER 50:15:37 + 02:24:07.00
7 JORDI VILADOMS 50:19:27 + 02:27:57.00
8 Frans VERHOEVEN 50:36:44 + 02:45:14.00
9 Henk KNUIMAN 51:06:19 + 03:14:49.00
10 Paulo GONCALVES 51:44:46 + 03:53:16.00

Truck:

1 VLADIMIR CHAGIN 44:41:26
2 FIRDAUS KABIROV 44:42:59 + 00:01:33.00
3 Gerard DE ROOY 45:38:24 + 00:56:58.00
4 ILGIZAR MARDEEV 51:04:59 + 06:23:33.00
5 Franz ECHTER 51:58:37 + 07:17:11.00
6 ANDRE DE AZEVEDO 53:00:04 + 08:18:38.00
7 ALES LOPRAIS 58:01:54 + 13:20:28.00
8 Wulfert VAN GINKEL 59:26:16 + 14:44:50.00
9 PEP VILA ROCA 60:15:14 + 15:33:48.00
10 JORDI JUVANTENY 64:00:43 + 19:19:17.00


Nota bene: Romeo Duicu este pe locul 66 in clasamentul de la moto...si are sanse sa termine raliul...bravo lui...


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post Jan 17 2009, 06:27 PM
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POze
http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2009/01/t...akar_rally.html

Spre exemplu, interiorul la Mitsubishi



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post Jan 18 2009, 08:54 PM
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QUOTE (adrian_flavius @ Jan 16 2009, 10:54 AM) *
Doua VW, un Mitsu, un Hummer si pe urma restul...dom'le, ce inseamna un raliu Dakar...chiar Sainz a zis-o: nu te poti considera castigator pana nu treci de finish-ul ultimei etape...si parca a avut gura aurita...


stie el ce spune. in 1998 trebuia sa devina pt a 3-a oara campion mondial de raliuri si i s-a stricat masina cu 300 m inainte de finish cand era lider. grea lovitura. ca atare din cauza a 300 m titlul i s-a dus la makkinen .


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post Jan 18 2009, 09:49 PM
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Am ramas suprins cand am vazut ca a abandonat Sainz din cauza ca s-a rasturnat intr-o rapa care nu a fost semnalizata. Un mod stupid de abandon, parca cineva acolo sus nu a vrut ca VW sa ocupe tot podiumul. Am auzit ca Sainz vrea sa-i dea in judecata pe cei care au facut graficul traseului (sau ceva de genul asta). Iar daca va castiga procesul va fi show; banuiesc ca Sainz va vrea sa i se acorde titlul mondial.


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gata. mitsu a terminat-o cu dakarul din cauza crizei:

MITSUBISHI MOTORS TO WITHDRAW FROM DAKAR RALLY AND ALL CROSS-COUNTRY RACES

* 26 entries, 12 victories, including 7 consecutive wins
* Deterioration in global economy forces decision
* Includes the Dakar Rally, Dakar Series and all cross-country races

TOKYO, February 4, 2009 - Mitsubishi Motors Corporation (MMC) announced today their decision to withdraw from the Dakar Rally, the Dakar Series and all cross-country rallies.

In its twenty-six entries in the event, Mitsubishi Motors won the rally a total of twelve times, including seven consecutive victories. In addition to this unparalleled record the company also gained 4WD technology that informs its production vehicles, most visible in their durability and off road performance.

The sudden deterioration of the global economy made it necessary for the company to focus its resources more tightly, and for this reason the decision was taken to withdraw its Mitsubishi Motorsports (MMSP) works team from all cross-country competitions.




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Nasol moment, sincer...ca si in WRC, lumea sportului e mai saraca in acest moment...oricum, probabil ca vor reveni cu proxima ocazie (dupa 2-3 ani), imediat ce isi revin pietele internationale... confused.gif


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Continuam aici, sau facem un topic nou? Cred ca e mai bine sa ramanem aici, si un admin sa modifice un pic titlul, sa cuprinda si anul 2010...deocamdata, se pare ca anul asta e un joc in doi intre doi giganti nemti: VW si BMW...o sa fie interesant de urmarit pana la sfarsit...


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Am putea continuat tot aici. Din pacate am pierdut rezumatul primelor etape, dar sincer sa fiu nici nu prea imi vine sa ma mai uit. Pe langa faptul ca raliul nu mai e in Africa, s-au retras si "greii" raliului...


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