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post Jan 25 2011, 05:18 PM
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QUOTE (James Kilowatt @ Jan 25 2011, 12:12 PM) *
Man, undele cerebrale nu sunt "unde" in sensul propriu al termenului, e doar un abuz de limbaj. E vorba doar de activarea ritmica a neuronilor din anumite zone. N-au cum sa rezoneze deci cu un camp EM.


Dintr-un articol referitor la rezonanta Schumann, citez: "undele cerebrale sunt de frecvență foarte joasă și pot fi influențate sau perturbate de stimuli electromagnetici externi." thumbsup.gif
Daca ar fi asa cum spui tu, nu ar mai functiona citirea undelor cerebrale pentru comenzi "cu gandul".

Legat de liniile de inalta tensiune, exemple:

"Note that the very first study on page 1 -- the pioneering study published by Dr. Nancy Wertheimer in the American Journal of Epidemiology, in 1979 found that children living in homes near high current power lines in Denver, Colorado, were developing leukemia, cancer of the nervous system (brain cancer), and lymphoma more than twice as often as children who lived in low current homes. Wertheimer studied 344 childhood cancer victims and compared them with 344 control children. who had the same or close birth dates. but had not developed cancer.

Please note the third study on page 1. This was a study conducted by Dr. Lennart Tomenius. the County of Stockholm health officer, of Stockholm. Sweden. in the early 1980s. Dr. Tomenius studied 716 Swedish children who had died of cancer in Stockholm County. He found that brain cancer had occurred 3.8 times as often as expected among children living in homes within sight of high voltage transmission lines the same kind of lines as the proposed Pauline-Moore line.

The next to last study on page 1 was conducted in 1986 by Dr. David Savitz, an epidemiologist at the University of North Carolina. Dr. Savitz studied 356 childhood cancer victims in the Greater Denver area, the same area in which Wertheimer had conducted her study but none of the 356 cancer victims he studied were the same as Wertheime’s 344 victims. The children Savitz studied had all been diagnosed with cancer at a later date. Note that Savitz found more than twice the expected brain cancer among these children.

At the bottom of page 2, kindly note the statistically significant increase in the incidence of leukemia among children residing near high-voltage transmission lines in Sweden. This study was conducted during the early 1 990s by Dr. Maria Feychting and some colleagues at the world-famous Karolinska institute, in Stockholm. Notice that children exposed to more than two milligauss-a magnetic field level commonly found in homes near high-voltage transmission lines, such as the Pauline-Moore line - develop leukemia almost three times as often as other children, and that children living in homes in which they are exposed to more than 3 milligauss have almost four times the risk of developing leukemia.

On Page 3 of the list taken from the medical data base of the National Library of Medicine are the last of the 10 childhood cancer studies involving electromagnetic field exposure that have been conducted during the past 16 years.

At this point, I should inform you that through an inadvertent error on my part one investigation was omitted from the list of the childhood residential studies compiled by the National Library of Medicine. This was a study of 232 childhood leukemia victims in Los Angeles that was conducted by Drs. Stephanie London and John Peters, of the University of Southern California School of Medicine, in Los Angeles. London and Peters found that children living in homes near high-current power lines developed leukemia more than twice as often as children who did not live in such homes. Their study was published in the American Journal of Epidemiology, in 1991.
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post Jan 25 2011, 05:29 PM
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QUOTE (James Kilowatt @ Jan 25 2011, 05:12 PM) *
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Explicatia legii la noi nu e faptul ca nu e sanatos sa-ti cada un fir rupt pe casa?


Sincer, nu stiu! Daca Enel distributie asa zice, asa se face. Probabil ca principala temere e campul electric ce se formeaza in jurul liniilor de inalta tensiune.


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post Jan 25 2011, 05:38 PM
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Din nou, trebuie definit vocabularul:

undele cerebrale nu sunt unde; stimularea lor electromagnetica nu inseamna rezonanta cu o unda de aceeasi frecventa. Creierul nu poate "capta" o unda EM de 20hz. E greu de facut chiar si cu echipament special conceput e destul de complicat, o unda de 20hz are lungimea de unda mai mare decat diametrul Terrei. Iti pot stimula insa neuronii cu o unda EM de nu stiu cati gigaherzti, modulata insa cu 20Hz, e cu totul altceva.

Poti transmite (si capta electronic) informatie prin "brain waves", insa asta nu inseamna ca "brain waves" sunt unde in sensul mecanic al termenului, ca sa poata rezona cu alta de aceeasi natura si frecventa. Ce lungime de unda au "brain waves"? Ce viteza de propagare au? Se reflecta? Se refracta?
Ca analogie, poti transmite informatii cu fumul prin metoda indiana. Cu fumul lucrezi in domeniul vizibil... sa zicem, iti trimit un "bit" la fiecare o secunda. Insa asta nu inseamna ca fumul indian e o unda paranormalica de 1Hz, ci ramane una EM de vreo 500THz, insa modulata la 1Hz. Iar "aparatul de receptie", aka ochiul indianului nu capteaza o unda de 1Hz, ci una de 500THz.


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Acum am vazut de studiile alea. am dat mai devreme un exemplu cu o buruiana ciudata in zona stalpilor de inainta tensiune, la care s-a descoperit ca de fapt cauza e alta.
Acum cateva comentarii, din avion.
Primul studiu, ok.
Al doilea si al treilea sunt discutabile. Studiile statistice in care iei pe cei cu cancer si incepi sa vezi a-posteriori care ar putea fi explicatiile (mancare, linii electrice, folosirea celularului, etc) nu prea sunt acceptate ca dovezi de lumea stiintifica, se considera ca sunt alterate.

Cel din 86, face referinte la campuri magnetice de 2-3 mgauss. Campul terestru normal are 400mgauss. Intr-un aparat RMN, nici nu vreau sa ma gandesc... Nu neg corelatia statistica, insa doar asta in sine nu dovedeste legatura cauza-efect.

Hai sa fac pe avocatul diavolului:

Deci, satul american cu problemele cu cancer, cel prin care trecea linia de inalta tensiune prin centru, se numeste Slobozia. Cauza a fost descoperita a-posteriori pe forumul masini.ro:
http://www.domnuleprimar.ro/SLOBOZIA-VIDEO...-s-1-a10094.htm

Acum 40 ani se testau mult mai putine substante cancerigene, am senzatia ca inca se folosea DTT-ul.... faptulc a atunci n-au gasit nimic nu inseamna mare lucru.

Cei din cartierul suedez, unde au fost probleme cu cancerul si pe unde trece linia electrica, sunt in proportie de 80% muncitori in siderurgie, sau vopsitori auto e un cartier muncitoresc construit de uzina Saab sau Volvo pentru muncitorii lor.
- Sau cartierul e alimentat cu apa dintr-o panza freatica poluata cu cine stie ce pesticid care va fi interzis datorita efectului cancerigen peste 10 ani, acum nu e considerat periculos si nu se fac analize.
- Sau, casele sunt facute din granit intr-o proportie mai mare decat alte cartiere si au avut problema cu radonul.
- In cartier exista un incinerator de deseuri care elimina dioxine... (asta cu dioxinele a inceput sa fie verificata sistematic destul de recent, moda lansata de un suedez care avea echipamentul de detectie si care a facut o groaza de bani. In anii '80 nu cred ca se cautau.)
- Acum 5 ani, fast-food-ul din cartier a vandut timp de doua saptamani coca-cola poluata cu americiu. In dozatorul de coca cola a cazut un detector de fum care contine o pastila din elementul asta radioactiv si nu s-a prins nimeni ca pastila a ramas acolo dupa ce s-a scos detectorul
- o fundamentalista pocaita in ziua a 8-a a pus intentionat pastila cu americiu sub colacul toaletei din carciuma de cartier, ca sa moara de c...ie betivanii si porcii de barbati, care este.
- etc, etc....

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post Jan 25 2011, 06:07 PM
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Uite de ce nu iti faci casa sub linia de inalta tensiune: http://www.telegrafonline.ro/1261346400/ar...la_6_grade.html
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“La ora 1:57, pe fondul avariilor înregistrate în zilele precedente la liniile de transport ale Transelectrica (liniile Gura Ialomita - CNE Cernavodă și Pelican - CNE Cernavodă), din cauza vremii nefavorabile, a fost afectată o altă linie de înaltă tensiune - linia de 400 kW Tulcea Vest - Isaccea. Din cauza condițiilor meteorologice extreme, aceasta s-a rupt, iar în cădere a cauzat și ruperea liniei de medie tensiune peste care era suprapusă.


A fost o noapte foarte interesanta atunci.


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QUOTE (James Kilowatt @ Jan 25 2011, 12:38 PM) *
Ce lungime de unda au "brain waves"? Ce viteza de propagare au? Se reflecta? Se refracta?


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Asta e pe principiul - daca nu cunoastem, inseamna ca nu exista? ninja.gif

Eu unul nu stiu raspunsul. Mi-ar placea sa-l stiu.
De stiut, se cunosc cate ceva; studiile militare incepute inca de pe timpul razboiului rece probabil au relevat multe, dar la cunostinta publicului larg...



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Asta chiar se cunoaste... n-are viteza de propagare, ca nu e unda. E doar nu fenomen ritmic, insa nu orice fenomen ritmic e o unda.


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QUOTE (James Kilowatt @ Jan 25 2011, 06:20 PM) *
Asta chiar se cunoaste... n-are viteza de propagare, ca nu e unda. E doar nu fenomen ritmic, insa nu orice fenomen ritmic e o unda.

Stiu eu ceva care e mai mult decat un fenomen si implica ritmicitate (miscari ritmice) si nu e nici unda.... de fapt cred ca stiti si voi.

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Ala uneori se propaga... de exemplu, trece prin ecranul TV-ului sau a ecranului si te "antreneaza" si pe tine laugh.gif

Din studiile de pana acum, nu dauneaza sanatatii.

Sau, dimpotriva, dauneaza foarte tare.... peste 99% din cei "contaminati", mor la un moment dat....

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... si cealalta parte a monedei.

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Strict legat de microunde, eu mai degraba le-as evita pentru ca distrug cam tot ce inseamna compus de baza nutritiv din alimente.


Fals, legenda urbana. Microundele sint mai bune in unele cazuri si mai putin bune in altele. Wikipedia:


Any form of cooking will destroy some nutrients in food, but the key variables are how much water is used in the cooking, how long the food is cooked, and at what temperature.[18] Microwave ovens do convert vitamin B12 from the active to inactive form, making approximately 30-40% of the B12 contained in foods unusable by mammals.[19]

Spinach retains nearly all its folate when cooked in a microwave;[18] in comparison, it loses about 77 percent when cooked on a stove, because food on a stove is typically boiled, leaching out nutrients.[18] Steamed vegetables tend to maintain more nutrients when microwaved than when cooked on a stovetop.[20][21][22] Bacon cooked by microwave has significantly lower levels of carcinogenic nitrosamines than conventionally cooked bacon.[18][23][24][25][26][27]


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Nu mai gasesc emailul medical cu studiile unor cateva unviresitati de renume despre microwave...


Stai calm ca nici nu exista smile.gif... nu emailul sau studiile smile.gif, ci concluziile...

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Cand te duci acolo se aude un bazait pe fundal de te ia frica.


Probabil de la vreun generator de ozon. Fructele si legumele se conserva de multe ori cu ozon. Ozonul se poate face cu descarcari de inalta tensiune.

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Sunt convins de chestia asta, si pe aici e la fel cu preturile. Si exista si o lege sa pui casele la o distanta minima de linii. Nu stiu daca chestia cu distanta e ca sa protejeze de radiatie, sau sa ca eviti sa iti cada firul pe cotetul gainilor in caz de furtuna.


Sint multe motive de siguranta legate de sitanta minima... de exemplu daca pica o sirma d-aia te electrocutezi numai daca mergi in jurul ei la citiva metri sau poate chiar zeci de m prin diferenta de potential dintre picioare. N-are nici o treaba cu "radiatia". Valoarea caselor e mica si din alte motive, nu neaparat din cele stiintifice, fizice sau argumentate. Zgomot, pericol, peisaj, frica etc.


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QUOTE (ozz86651 @ Jan 26 2011, 02:08 AM) *
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Cand te duci acolo se aude un bazait pe fundal de te ia frica.


Probabil de la vreun generator de ozon. Fructele si legumele se conserva de multe ori cu ozon. Ozonul se poate face cu descarcari de inalta tensiune.


Bazaitu era dinainte sa ajunga depozitele de legume-fructe acolo si acum sa fim seriosi! Nu "fac" aia acolo ozon tongue.gif


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Mike, acolo este vorba de efectul Corona.
"Efectul de descărcare Corona este rezultatul apariției de ioni în fluide neutre, cum este aerul atmosferic, sub influența câmpurilor electrice puternice. Electronii sunt smulși din elementele componente ale aerului neionizat, și ionii pozitivi sau electronii sunt atrași de conductori în timp ce particulele încărcate de aceeași polaritate sunt respinse. Acest efect poate produce pierderi de putere însemnate, să creeze interferențe sonore sau de radiofrecvență, să genereze compuși toxici cum ar fi oxidul de azot și ozonul, și să conducă la crearea de arc electric."


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Bacon cooked by microwave has significantly lower levels of carcinogenic nitrosamines than conventionally cooked bacon.


Oh Da!!! ma duc sa mananc micul-dejun biggrin.gif


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