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post Feb 16 2006, 01:44 PM
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O simpla comparatie intre siteurile pe care gasesti masini de vanzare in Romania si cele de afara arata ca in Romania se vand cele mai ieftine masini din Europa. Acest lucru este imposibil socotind costurile (vama,chetuielile de transport, acte, profit). Deschid acest topic cu intentia de a informa cititorii asupra inselatorilor care se practica pe piata romaneasca de automobile second hand. Propun sa facem o lista cu toate trucurile pe care le cunoastem prin care cumparatorul poate fi inselat.

Incep aceasta lista cu cel mai simplu truc, tunningul la kilometri. 90% din masinile la vanzare au ori in jur de 80000 km ori in jur de 120000 km. Asta nu insemna ca toate masinile cu 80000 km, ori 120000 au km aranjati, dar statistic este imposibil sa fie atat de multe. biggrin.gif
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post Feb 16 2006, 01:50 PM
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asa este
toate masinile aduse din germania care se vand in targ au kilometrajul dat inapoi
asta se poate verifica cu carnetul de service si revizii
dar vanzatorul spune ca nu l are si ca masina a fost condusa de o baba...looool
eu am cumparat doua masini din germania cu 100.000km facuti in 3 ani fiecare
deci cand cumpari o masina din targ nu stii cati km are masina.


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post Feb 16 2006, 01:54 PM
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QUOTE(ichim29310)
O simpla comparatie intre siteurile pe care gasesti masini de vanzare in Romania si cele de afara arata ca in Romania se vand cele mai ieftine masini din Europa. .



Oare?! Mie nu mi se pare... poti da exemple?!


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post Feb 16 2006, 02:06 PM
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Exemplu: Cel mai ieftin ford mondeo din 2002 diesel si sub 150000 km (143000) la vanzare in Germania (pe mobile) in momentul asta costa 6300 € (fara accidente si nimic defect). Adauga 1900 vama, 300 actele si 500 drumul.
Face 9000 € fara profit. In acelasi timp pe autovit gasesti vreo 3 la vanzare cu 9000 € , proaspat aduse, si cu 80000 km. Asai ca avem cele mai ieftine masini din Europa? biggrin.gif
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Da, cam asa-i. Nu m-am gandit la vama atat atat de mare.

Deh, pe ebay sunt interfete+soft de rescris kilometrajul cu mai putin de 30€ si merge cu aproape toate modelele. biggrin.gif


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post Feb 16 2006, 02:25 PM
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eu pe mondeo tddi din 2001 am platit vama 1566 euro..nu 1900.
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post Feb 16 2006, 03:06 PM
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Daca ai platit 1566 € vama, insemana ca masina are alta cilindree. Vama pt 2001 cu 1998 cm cubi este 1694 €, exceptand cazul cand masina e produsa inainte de 16 februarie 2001(se ia in considerare ziua-luna-anul de fabricatie).

Revenind la tema discutiei, si la examplul pe care l-am dat mai sus, sa consideraram si profitul (ca doar e motorul capitalismului). La un profit de 5-10% reiese ca masina respectiva costa in Germania in jur de 5000 €.

La 5000 € in momentul asta sunt la vanzare pe mobile:
A) 2 masini de politie (160000km si sigur alergate)
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C) lovite

La 5500 mai e la vanzare una cu pompa de injectie defecta.
La 5600 una cu 200000 km.
Cred ca asta ilustreza ce masini se vand in Romania. Intradevar sunt cele mai ieftine masini din Europa.
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post Feb 16 2006, 04:13 PM
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Ar fi foarte interesant sa aflam parerea celor care au cumparat masini
"aranjate".

As dori si alte sugestii despre cum pot fi "aranjate" masinile.
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post Feb 16 2006, 04:24 PM
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Cei care aduc masini in tara, tocmai din asta castiga, numarul de km :angel:
Sunt zeci de masini in targ care nu au trecuti nr de km si daca pornesti motoru zici ca pornesti fabrica de impachetat fum laugh.gif

Din pacate, acest "fenomen" are si o parte negativa. Persoanele care isi aduc masini din afara si doresc sa le vanda peste 1 an sau 2(si au km reali, carte de service si alte cele) stau cu anuntu in geam ca nu-i crede nimeni ca au atat de putini km :bash:

Am un amic care a incercat vreo 2 luni sa-si vand un mondeo break(2.0TDDi 90CP) si abia in targ a gasit vreo 2-3 clienti. Anyway acum nu o mai vinde ca are nevoie de ea, sa nu ziceti ca fac reclama tongue.gif


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post Feb 16 2006, 04:32 PM
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E f adevarat ce scrieti,dar totusi km unei masini sunt ca si varsta unei persoane-ceva relativ.
Se poate cumpara o masina cu putini km reali,si care sa fie "rupta",sau una cu multi km dar in stare f buna si intretinuta!
Oricum faza cu km scazuti e la ordinea zilei.


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post Feb 16 2006, 04:41 PM
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Mike, ai foarte mare dreptate cu partea negativa. Si eu am avut un prieten care a patit aceeasi chestie. Insa el nu a putut sa ramana cu masina, a fost nevoit sa accepte pretul impus de targ (probabil ar fi vandut-o mai bine in Germania blink.gif , ca acolo preturile sunt date de km reali biggrin.gif ).
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post Feb 16 2006, 04:49 PM
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In plus chestia asta ne afecteaza pe toti, pt ca si noi o sa vrem odata sa ne vindem masinile, iar asta trage artificial pretul de vanzare in jos (atata timp cat nu vrem si noi sa le facem un "tunning").

Cativa "smecheri" profita, si toti care is cinstiti pierd! :bash:
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Eu ma bucur de situatia creata laugh.gif Sper la vara sa-l "scap" eu de masina biggrin.gif


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Exemplu: Cel mai ieftin ford mondeo din 2002 diesel si sub 150000 km (143000) la vanzare in Germania (pe mobile) in momentul asta costa 6300 € (fara accidente si nimic defect). Adauga 1900 vama, 300 actele si 500 drumul.


Da, dar din Germania (sau alte tari din UE) recuperezi TUV-ul, TVA-ul lor, sunt multi care cand iti vand masina iti arata actele in care au platit suma x si adauga un profit minim de 100 de euro or something... sau am auzit chiar de unii care au zis ca "fiindca imi esti cunostinta nu mai pun nimic"... dar uita sa mentioneze de recuperarea TVA-ului...


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Totusi, nici in germania nu mai e situatia asa roz. Deja sunt destul de multe parcuri auto deschise de arabi, turci, care sunt un fel de romani biggrin.gif. Vand masini cu km dati inapoi si alte "imbunatatiri". Daca vreti o masina buna cel mai bine din parcul auto al unui neamt.
In alta ordine de idei, de oriunde ai lua masina second, e clar ca-ti asumi un risc. Eu zic ca cel mai bine e sa mergi in Germania si sa o alegi cu manuta ta, dar insotit de cineva care pe unde sa te duca. Mie mi-a adus masina o asa zisa cunostinta, cu 95.000 km. Nu pot fi 100% sigur ca astia erau km reali, dar masina se tine foarte bine asa ca tind sa cred ca nu am fost pacalit smile.gif.
Intr-adevar, cunosc cativa care aduc masini din germania si le aduc pe la 200-300.000, dau km inapoi la 100 sau 90 si le scot pe piata. Tre sa faca si ei un ban, nu? biggrin.gif
Asa ca, nu luati din targ de la cineva pe care nu-l stiti. Mai ales in bucuresti unde toti "comerciantii" sunt cam colorati blink.gif


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post Feb 16 2006, 07:39 PM
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QUOTE(HalbaSus)
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Exemplu: Cel mai ieftin ford mondeo din 2002 diesel si sub 150000 km (143000) la vanzare in Germania (pe mobile) in momentul asta costa 6300 € (fara accidente si nimic defect). Adauga 1900 vama, 300 actele si 500 drumul.


Da, dar din Germania (sau alte tari din UE) recuperezi TUV-ul, TVA-ul lor, sunt multi care cand iti vand masina iti arata actele in care au platit suma x si adauga un profit minim de 100 de euro or something... sau am auzit chiar de unii care au zis ca "fiindca imi esti cunostinta nu mai pun nimic"... dar uita sa mentioneze de recuperarea TVA-ului...


Trucul cu nementionarea TVA e interesant si merita notat de cumparatori. Nu are legatura cu exemplul de mai sus.

Exemplul care l-am dat era pret netto, fara TVA care in germana se cheama Mehrwertsteuer. TUV este echivalentul ITP-ului din Germania, este inspectia tehnica periodica, si este unul din documentele pe care cumparatorii ar trebui neaparat sa-l solicite la cumparare (alaturi de cartea service), pt ca in TUV is trecuti kilometri reali pe care masina i-a avut la ultime inspectie tehnica. Tot acolo sunt trecute si problemele pe care le-a avunt masina la ultima inspectie tehnica. Daca despre cartea service vanzatorul iti poate spune povesti (ca a pierdut-o babuta care tinea masina masina in garaj blink.gif ), TUV-ul e o chestie foarte serioasa(nu poate fi aranjata cu 5 euro spaga ca in .ro, si daca nemtii se pricep la ceva atunci se pricep la inspectat o masina), si fara TUV masina nu pleca din Germania (nu pot fi facute numerele de zoll) :bandit: .
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