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Masini.ro a inceput sa construiasca cea mai mare baza de date auto, cladita pe marginea si cu ajutorul opiniilor utilizatorilor si proprietarilor de automobile.
Ai o masina, ai avut una, sau mai multe? Esti cunoscator auto?
Scrie-ti opinia despre masina ta si despre masinile pe care le cunosti. Ajuta-ne sa facem cunoscute masinile asa cum sunt ele de fapt, nu in baza reclamelor producatorilor sau dealerilor auto! Da-i o nota generala masinii tale! O opinie pertinenta si motivata face cat 10 reclame!
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Masini.ro a inceput sa construiasca cea mai mare baza de date auto, cladita pe marginea si cu ajutorul opiniilor utilizatorilor si proprietarilor de automobile.
Ai o masina, ai avut una, sau mai multe? Esti cunoscator auto?
Scrie-ti opinia despre masina ta si despre masinile pe care le cunosti. Ajuta-ne sa facem cunoscute masinile asa cum sunt ele de fapt, nu in baza reclamelor producatorilor sau dealerilor auto! Da-i o nota generala masinii tale! O opinie pertinenta si motivata face cat 10 reclame!
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F1arsa de la Indianapolis...
This topic is about F1arsa de la Indianapolis..., the author, f1anatic, wrote about: QUOTE f1anatic head stuck in schumi's butt head stuck in schumi's butt Joined: 28 Feb 2004 Posts: 1021 Location: Hüb öf thé Ünivérsé, Chicágo, USA Pos ... To read more just scroll down
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head stuck in schumi's butt head stuck in schumi's butt Joined: 28 Feb 2004 Posts: 1021 Location: Hüb öf thé Ünivérsé, Chicágo, USA PostPosted: Sun Jun 19, 2005 7:14 pm Post subject: I want my money back... Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Incredibly dissapointed. I drove 400 miles and spent 250 dollars to see a 6 men United States GP. I am incredibly dissapointed. All of us there today felt cheated. It is a farce, a sham. But it is not Ferrari's fault. We did not know the teams would not race...nobody was commenting on that over the stadium speakers. I fully expected Michelin teams to put on new rubber and start from the pits. Instead...we had the most "original" GP of my 16 years watching F1. . _________________ ~ Schumi drive it like you stole it ! http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/downloa...cura_subaru.pdf Back to top View user's profile Send private message Jackson Joined: 29 Feb 2004 Posts: 1280 Location: Los Angeles PostPosted: Sun Jun 19, 2005 7:27 pm Post subject: Reply with quote That's too bad Bogdan. I feel bad for you. We were cheated. Don't shod your Subaru with Michelins. Show your disgust with your wallet. Back to top View user's profile Send private message f1anatic head stuck in schumi's butt head stuck in schumi's butt Joined: 28 Feb 2004 Posts: 1021 Location: Hüb öf thé Ünivérsé, Chicágo, USA PostPosted: Sun Jun 19, 2005 7:28 pm Post subject: Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post I am surprised that many of the people stayed. Sure...rednecks were booing...I booed too...I booed the sport and I am sure most of us did that. But then the "crackers" started throwing beer and water bottles on the track. I have one on videocamera myself...so much so that we rewinded, identified the fvcker and called security. They took him away...a sad sad BAR Honda fan. I feel Ferrari were fully justified in refusing any mercy dealings to allow the 7 teams to race. They came there prepared according to FIA mandated rules and it is unfair to them to make any amendments. Michelin has cut curners before...recall the class act at Monaco where the renaults were running slicks ? We dbated that at length as we debated Kimi Raikonen's fiery crash. Cutting corners in the name of speed ? Yeah...that also means reducing safety... That's right...no chicanes...no new tires...no amendments. The rules are the same for everyone. I just watched portions of the SPEED coverage and Jarno Trulli explained it best. It is sad for the sport but certainly fair. Michelin came unprepared. because of this...F1 lost any credibility in America. Should I tell you that the crowds are getting smaller every year ? There were huge empty spots in the two stadiums along the straightaway, before the 1st corner. Guess what...next year that's how many seats will be filled. I certainly am gonna see into this and I hope there is some class action to provide free tickets for next year's race. IMHO effective Monday or Tuesday when the situation is already digested...some heads should fall. Starting internally at Michélin with Patrck Dupasquier and ending with Max Mosely. Sure some people will lose their jobs.. But the FIA - who suffered a HUGE blow - should go back on this tire changing rule as well as expell Michelin out of the championship. Michelin should pay Bridgestone the costs asscoiated with supporting those 7 teams for the rest of the season. And Michelin should be banned from F1 for 5 years. By the way...Schumi's and Rubens near get-together at the 1st corner wasn't as dramatic on TV as it was in person. But let's just say that calling for a black flag or punishment for Schumacher is too much. He came prepared to race...even if it was only Rubens. It is a hollow victory don't get me wrong. And no...there were enough people to applaud the effort at the end. Ferrari let the boys race today. That was the most good they could and should have done for the sport and the fans today. _________________ ~ Schumi drive it like you stole it ! http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/downloa...cura_subaru.pdf Back to top View user's profile Send private message Dan Gurney rules ambiguous contrarian ambiguous contrarian Joined: 29 Feb 2004 Posts: 1580 Location: On my bike. PostPosted: Sun Jun 19, 2005 7:36 pm Post Good for you turning the idiot in. Thumbs up. I agreed with what Jarno said as well. _________________ We'll have you feeling so good Regina will seem like Saskatoon. Back to top View user's profile Send private message f1anatic head stuck in schumi's butt head stuck in schumi's butt Joined: 28 Feb 2004 Posts: 1021 Location: Hüb öf thé Ünivérsé, Chicágo, USA PostPosted: Sun Jun 19, 2005 7:36 pm Post subject: Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Jackson wrote: Don't shod your Subaru with Michelins. Show your disgust with your wallet. I want to thank Bridgestone for their wonderful Potenza RE92 tires that propelled me to 161 kph today on I-65 North going to Chicago. I am a faithful Bridgestone buyer though I bought 3 Michelin Symmetry for the minivan last month. Jackson, I've been watching the sport since 1990. I am first and foremost a fan of the sport...Ferrari and Schumacher are just the tip of the iceberg in my love for F1. let's just say the iceberg melted today. It may have been hidden under "water" for these many years we've "known" each other on the Internet...but it is the sport that I love most...and I really really feel cheated, dissapointed. It's not the money and the miles...screw that...it is the death of the passion that I have enjoyed so much for more than half my life...ä I will post some pictures later...Right now I wanna eat something...I came home with fingertips burning ...I just wanted to get online and read and find out more...and yes...speak out on this disgusting event. I hold the blame entirely on FIA and Michelin. _________________ ~ Schumi drive it like you stole it ! http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/downloa...cura_subaru.pdf Back to top View user's profile Send private message KMHPaladin American Badass American Badass Joined: 28 Feb 2004 Posts: 2494 Location: South Jersey & North Jersey New postPosted: Sun Jun 19, 2005 7:39 pm Post subject: Reply with quote I'm really sorry that happened to you Bogdan. I was so excited to see Montreal, I can only imagine what it would have been like if this had happened there. My sympathy dude. _________________ Hey gordo, don't play tennis, you're no good at it. - Rubinho's advice to Montoya Back to top View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website AIM Address Nu mai traduc. Ii cunosc pe acesti oameni din 1996...mai intii pe Internet...pe urma ne-am intilnit la curse...la Montreal si Indianapolis. Sintem totzi fani rai...cu Montoya...cu Michael....cu Kimi...dar sintem mai presus de toate fanii sportului. Nu imi este de bani...de timpul pierdut...de milele puse pe masina...dar pasiunea mea pt. sportul asta s-a evaporat. Cititzi daca vretzi ce am scris in Engleza. Oricum...nu am sa mai cumpar niciodata cauciucuri Michelin dupa chestia asta. -------------------- Schumi drive it like you stole it !
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Jun 20 2005, 07:28 AM
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 Warp Member Group: Membri de onoare Posts: 4.752 Joined: 9-May 03 From: Bucuresti Member No.: 12.270 |
ce s-a intamplat de fapt? ca am deschis si eu tv-ul si am ramas "prost" vanzand ca sint doar vreo 6 agarici care concureaza.
uite asa ajunge iar neamtu sa castige.... -------------------- |
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Jun 20 2005, 11:01 AM
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simplu, in urma testelor de pregatire si in urma sedintelor de calificare au existat niste incidente in urma carora cei de la michelin le-au interzis masinilor sa concureze 
mi s-a parut de tot rasul cursa 
se pare ca un viraj care presupunea o viteza prea ridicat in el ducea la explozia pneurilor michelin . -------------------- |
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Jun 20 2005, 11:27 AM
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sofer profesionist Group: Membri Posts: 155 Joined: 22-May 05 From: Bucuresti Member No.: 47.467 |
cei de la michelin nu au reusit sa reduca uzura decat prin reducerea presiunii... de aici si scandalul pornit pentru faptul ca nu au avut voie sa foloseasca alte pneuri, eventual mai tari -------------------- Astra G 1.7 dti/Grande Punto 1.3 Mj - 90cp
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Jun 20 2005, 11:32 AM
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sofer profesionist Group: Membri Posts: 129 Joined: 25-January 05 From: Bucuresti Member No.: 39.222 |
nu au vrut nici sa schimbe pista (sicana ceva...) oricum asa cum cred ca se3 stie circuitul de la indianopolis e sortit anularii -------------------- fiat tempra ~90cp si curand mercedes benz A
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Jun 20 2005, 01:53 PM
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QUOTE(lucian39229) nasol de tot
nu au vrut nici sa schimbe pista (sicana ceva...) oricum asa cum cred ca se3 stie circuitul de la indianopolis e sortit anularii Nu este vina circuitului. Nu e nevoie de alta pista. Micheliin nu si-a facut temele bine. In anii trecutzi totul a fost OK...acum au compromis sigurantza si durabilitatea in numele vitezei. In ultima curba de mare viteza cauciuucul pe stinga spate explodeaza. Vineri atit Ralf cit si Zonta au avut explozii la cauciucurile stinga spate ne-explicabile. Analiza tehnica nu a putut da vina pe nici un srapnel sau mai stiu eu ce care sa fie identificat si care sa fie numai la setul respectiv de gume. S-a ajuns la concluzia ca toate cauciucurile au acelasi defect. Michelin nu a adus decit un singur tip de cauciucuri la Indy. Echipele nu au avut ce altceva a alege. S-a vorbit despre aducerea unui nou tip de gume folosit in Spania anul acesta, despre steaguri galbene, o sicana care sa incetineasca viteza la curba # 13 dar nu s-a ajuns la un compromis. Parerea mea...de spectator si de fan este ca e vina Michelin...si a FIA. FIA a facut bine ca a fost nemiloasa si nu a compromis...pt. ca ar fi fost nedreapta cu celelalte echipe - pe gume Bridgestone - care s-au pregatit corespunzator. Dar FIA este de vina pt. regula asta IDIOATA cu un singur set de cauciucuri pt. intregul week-end. -------------------- Schumi drive it like you stole it !
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Jun 20 2005, 08:51 PM
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sofer profesionist Group: Membri Posts: 242 Joined: 1-September 04 From: Cluj-Napoca (Cluj) Member No.: 31.766 |
Michelin au o mare parte din vina pentru ca au ajuns nepregatiti la Indy. Dar pentru fanii care au fost prezenti, FIA ar fi trebuit sa faca ceva. Pacat... F1 e ca si moarta in USA.
Dupa cum spune Frank Williams pe Eurosport, echipele Michelin ar fi fost de acord sa concureze fara sa ia puncte, numai pentru a onora spectacolul si publicul, dar NU, de data asta Ferrari si Max Mosley (FIA) au fost contra... Asa ca si ei au o parte din vina pentru aceasta farsa.... Cat despre FIA, aia nu cred ca realizeaza ca omoara orice competitie specaculoasa auto cu reguliel lor din ce in ce mai stupide... Vedeti si ce au facut din WRC .... Tot e bine ca mai avem MotoGP si pe Vale  Si o sa il vada si America la Laguna Seca..
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Jun 20 2005, 10:05 PM
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 specialist Group: Membri Posts: 1.261 Joined: 3-May 05 From: Bucuresti Member No.: 45.944 |
Din cate stiu eu, Ferrari nu s-a pronuntat in legatura cu faptul ca ar fi sau nu ar fi de acord ca ceilalti sa participe.A fost in mare parte si decizia echipelor, pentru ca aveau de pus in balanta viata soferilor.Si au decis ca viata este mai importanta decat orice castig material.
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Jun 21 2005, 08:42 PM
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Subaru Anti-Hero Group: Moderator Posts: 5.323 Joined: 13-May 04 From: F 1 World Member No.: 25.368 |
Echipele Michelin au vrut ori sa concureze fara puncte - dar pentru toata lumea...sau sa se puna "chicane" ca sa se modifice = incetinesca curba # 13 din nou pt. toata lumea. Ori circuitul nu poate fi modificat inainte de cursa cu 30 de min fara sa fie testat (masinile trebuiesc reglate, guvernarea motoarelor, frinele, aerodinamica, etc) altfel ar fi un pericol la fel de mare. FIA a propus ca cele 14 masini cu gume Mich sa mearga la viteza redusa prin locul acela. Ei nu au fost de acord...Mich dorind ca orice penalizare a performantzei in zona respectiva sa se aplice tuturor. Interesant cum Michelin a dat vina pe toata lumea mai putzin pe ei insusi. Ei - prin lege - trebuiau sa aduca 2 tipuri de cauciucuri...nu au adus decit unul. Si se pare ca nici alalat cauciu nu era prea grozav. Si cum sa trimitzi pe circuit masini fara a fi testate ? Ar fi putut concura la viteza redusa prin curba aceea...dar nu au vrut sa piarda in fatza echipelor pe Bridgestone. Problema LOR. Acum trebuie sa raspunda pentru distrugerea reputatziei sportului si a deciziei de a nu concura. Puteau foarte bine sa concureze pentru locul 7 si 8. Rusinos...dar am fi avut cit de cit o cursa.
Ferrari - cautatzi si voi sa vedetzi ce a spus Sir. Frank Williams - nu au nici o vina. De fapt nici nu au participat la vot lasind decisia in seama FIA. Ei au venit pregatitzi sa concureze. Nu e vina lor ca totzi ailaltzi au venit nepregatitzi. Si daca pot spune...m-ar fi bucurat sa nu se alinieze la start decit Ferrari. Cu toate acestea este mult mai bine...Michelin si restul echipelor ce folosesc asemenea pneuri au intrat in KKT pina la ochi si respira printr-un pai/snorkel !!! -------------------- Schumi drive it like you stole it !
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sofer profesionist Group: Membri Posts: 242 Joined: 1-September 04 From: Cluj-Napoca (Cluj) Member No.: 31.766 |
Nu e chiar asa. Echipele Michelin erau de acord sa participe la o cursa in care numai ei nu luau puncte, dar echipele Bridgestone luau. Asta scrie si pe formula1.com si pe eurosport.com.
Insa e corect ca Ferrari nu au zis nimic la vot (dupa declaratia lui Jean Todt). FIA e cea care a decis sa asistam la farsa de la Indy... -------------------- Laguna 2.2 - 2.0T
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Jun 30 2005, 11:15 PM
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 Lau Group: Membri Posts: 586 Joined: 14-January 03 From: Timisoara Member No.: 9.065 |
eu am inteles ca mechelin a decis ca echipele care au pneurile lor sa nu participe pt. sunt probleme cu sguranta.
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 novice Group: Membri Posts: 22 Joined: 2-July 05 From: Deva Member No.: 50.325 |
ca sa ma bag si eu in seama, scuze se pot gasi garla.
ma indoiesc ca o curba poate pune atatea probleme, iar restul (sute ca numar), cu grade diferite de dificultate, nu. personal mi se pare cam trasa de par povestea cu curba.... si eu am asteptat cu nerabdare cursa, iar cand am dat drumul la televizor si-am vazut doar 6 masini.. |
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