2011 Turkish GP - Istanbul Park (04) |
This topic is about 2011 Turkish GP - Istanbul Park (04), the author, Oana, wrote about: QUOTE (AlexF1 May 8 2011, 0648 PM) Pai ce fan esti tu mah? Calificarile pauza, cursa ultima jumatate de ora /whoops.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" ... To read more just scroll down
2011 Turkish GP - Istanbul Park (04) |
May 8 2011, 07:13 PM
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specialist Group: Moderator Posts: 2.254 Joined: 23-September 06 From: EU Member No.: 87.988 |
Pai ce fan esti tu mah? Calificarile pauza, cursa "ultima jumatate de ora"!!! Cum sa nu vezi tu ce negru-n ceru' gurii a fost azi al tau Schumi? o data la cativa ani mi se intampla si mie sa pierd o cursa. dar sa stii ca am vazut toate cele trei sesiuni de antrenamente, daca se pune si din cate am vazut nu numai schumy a fost nervos astazi barrichello e un subiect pentru care nu merita sa-mi pierd timpul. a fost, este si va fi un pilot mediocru... cu sau fara ordine de echipa. This post has been edited by Oana: May 8 2011, 07:15 PM -------------------- |
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May 8 2011, 08:10 PM
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specialist Group: Membri Posts: 1.060 Joined: 28-June 05 From: vecin cu Obama Member No.: 49.917 |
Pai ce fan esti tu mah? Calificarile pauza, cursa "ultima jumatate de ora"!!! Cum sa nu vezi tu ce negru-n ceru' gurii a fost azi al tau Schumi? Din primele ture s-a incordat la Petrov si asta l-a costat eleronul fata, deci timp si locuri pierdute la greu.....pana si Barrichello l-a facut, asta asa parca sa mai spele putin din umilinta pe care a indurat-o atatia ani la Ferrari..... Pai si-a dat si ea seama ca formula1 e o porcarie nespectaculoasa si o pierdere de timp )))) -------------------- The world contains a lot of awfully fast drivers.
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May 9 2011, 08:49 AM
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specialist Group: Membri Posts: 1.029 Joined: 2-December 08 From: Ramnicu Valcea Member No.: 118.674 |
de acum 3 saptamani vrei sa zici... da, se poate. Am vrut sa spun etapa trecuta, nu saptamana trecuta si multumesc pentru acel "da, se poate" oricum nu am facut mare branza, se pare ca noul participant pejte a nimerit cele mai multe. @otto, drs si kers au facut ca F1 sa fie mult mai spectaculoasa si interesanta fata de ultimele 3 sezoane cel putin. -------------------- G4 - simplu si eficient.
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May 9 2011, 09:26 AM
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sofer Group: Membri Posts: 92 Joined: 18-February 10 From: Bucuresti Member No.: 124.124 |
se pare ca noul participant pejte a nimerit cele mai multe. Yey for me. Se pare ca nu ma uit de prin '94 la F1 degeaba Sau poate am avut noroc. Cine stie This post has been edited by pejte: May 9 2011, 09:28 AM -------------------- 2008 Astra H 5usi, 1.6 115cp, Cosmo, Black Sapphire + alte chejtii
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May 9 2011, 10:20 AM
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Captain Obvious. Group: Moderator Posts: 1.312 Joined: 3-August 05 From: Oradea/Cluj Member No.: 52.535 |
Nu sunt sigur daca spectacolul se datoreaza sistemelor KERS sau DRS, mai degraba se datoreaza cauciucurilor Pirelli. -------------------- 1994 Opel Astra F 1.8 GSi 125 cp
2004 Opel Astra G 1.6i 103 cp 2007 Opel Astra G 1.6i 105 cp |
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May 9 2011, 10:34 AM
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specialist Group: Moderator Posts: 2.254 Joined: 23-September 06 From: EU Member No.: 87.988 |
Pai si-a dat si ea seama ca formula1 e o porcarie nespectaculoasa si o pierdere de timp )))) never @pejte, bine ai venit pe forum. e vorba doar de noroc, trust me... -------------------- |
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May 9 2011, 11:26 PM
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sofer Group: Membri Posts: 92 Joined: 18-February 10 From: Bucuresti Member No.: 124.124 |
Nu sunt sigur daca spectacolul se datoreaza sistemelor KERS sau DRS, mai degraba se datoreaza cauciucurilor Pirelli. E o combinatie intre cele 3. -------------------- 2008 Astra H 5usi, 1.6 115cp, Cosmo, Black Sapphire + alte chejtii
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May 12 2011, 11:59 PM
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Subaru Anti-Hero Group: Moderator Posts: 5.323 Joined: 13-May 04 From: F 1 World Member No.: 25.368 |
QUOTE Why Schumacher's not done yet On the face of it, Michael Schumacher's Turkish Grand Prix looked like a bit of a disaster. But if you scratch beneath the surface, as Jonathan Noble has, you begin to see a different picture emerge altogether Skimming through the headlines in the days after the Istanbul race, you could have been forgiven for thinking that Michael Schumacher had actually thrown in the towel on his Formula 1 return. His use of those two words ? 'big joy' ? to describe what he wasn't getting from F1 right now were pored over, rehashed, spun around and turned into a million stories declaring that his time was up. Michael Schumacher 2011 Turkish Grand Prix Mercedes And for those peddling that view, there had appeared to be little evidence in the 58 laps of the Turkish Grand Prix to suggest that the seven-time champion was anything other than a man no longer performing at the top of his game. His race effectively finished early on when he clashed with Vitaly Petrov, Schumacher found himself turned into a big silver target for the rest of the afternoon ? as television replays showed collisions and wheel-banging with the likes of Rubens Barrichello, Kamui Kobayashi, Adrian Sutil and Felipe Massa. Yet in this modern world of F1 that is shaped by Pirelli and DRS, it is important to step back a little bit from the television images and take a bit of time to dwell what is actually going out there on track. Yes, it is fantastic entertainment seeing cars going three-abreast into corners, banging wheels, passing on entry and then re-passing each other on the apex again. Yes sometimes these battles are not strictly for position come the end of the race. Mark Webber has remarked that a lot of the overtaking moves being seen in F1 are not 'racing' as such ?just cars passing each other because of the way the tyres are behaving. The guy in front is powerless to defend so just lets his rival pass. Michael Schumacher 2011 Turkish grand prix Mercedes There was no 'big joy' for Schumacher in Turkey Š LAT Such moves are not real ? for a driver that has fresh soft tyres that are five seconds per lap quicker than a car ahead on older, harder rubber, are not really 'racing' each other in the same way that the heroes of the past battled it out wheel-to-wheel for glory. The varied strategies ? especially when we have four-stops like in Turkey ? mean that drivers are being shuffled around the order like never before. And for a lot of drivers their move up the order are now merely the execution of a tyre strategy, not a brilliant charge through the field like we saw with Ayrton Senna at Suzuka in 1988, Nigel Mansell at Hungary in 1989, or Kimi Raikkonen at Suzuka in 2005. With so many moves taking place throughout a race, it is important to distinguish those passes that are just an execution of strategy, as opposed to the overtaking moves that are a genuine one for position between drivers that are battling it out properly for a result. And that is what it was like with Schumacher in Turkey. For while the television pictures seemed to portray him as a man sliding further and further down the order, actually very few of his losses were against his 'real' opposition. In fact, it is only by looking at his performance in a bit more detail can you understand that what looked like a disaster of Sunday was actually an afternoon that had plenty of promise about it: which is probably what made it so frustrating for him. There is no dispute that Schumacher could have done better to avoid getting his wing taken off when Petrov dived up the inside at Turn 12 ? but from then on the facts point towards a drive that put him on a par with the fellow three-stopper Jenson Button in the McLaren. Here is the raw data After the pitstop for a new nose, Schumacher was 27.7s behind his McLaren rival ? having lost 3s on his inlap to fix the nose and another 25s for the stop and the outlap. With the benefit of marginally better rubber, Schumacher quietly set about closing the gap on Button throughout that first stint ? closing the gap down to 20s despite finding himself battling in traffic that Button did not have to counter. Michael Schumacher 2011 Turkish Grand Prix Mercedes Collision with Petrov damaged his wing Š LAT That midfield mayhem meant the gap between them had stretched out to 29s after their final stops, but then Schumacher pushed on again and ? despite losing time in his late battle with Felipe Massa that included him running wide at Turn 1 ? Schumacher closed the gap to Button down to 26s by the chequered flag. So, over the course of the race, and compared against the one front-runner who had elected for pretty much the same strategy ? Schumacher had done his race quicker than Button. Yes, you can argue that Schumacher had the benefit of slightly fresher rubber during his stints, but you then need to counter that with the fact that Schumacher faced much more of the midfield mayhem than Button did at the front. Sure the 12th place is nothing to be hugely proud about ? and it certainly would have brought 'no big joy' ? but to say his afternoon was an embarrassment to his legacy is hugely wide of the mark. And if you look at his season so far, you have to understand that there hasn?t been much to smile about because Schumacher has not had the rub of the green. The DRS problems that Mercedes GP had early on seemed to affect him more than his team-mate Nico Rosberg. From what I hear, Schumacher had a bigger mountain to climb in having the confidence to commit to corners without knowing whether or not the airflow had reattached fully to the rear wing. That's no real surprise for a man who is at a different stage of his life and career to young team-mate Rosberg. Then in China, when the team seemed to have got on top of the DRS issues, guess who it was that had the wing problem happen at exactly the wrong time in Q2? In Turkey, Schumacher seemed more confident through practice ? he was certainly committed with the numbers of spins he had in practice ? but it failed to happen for him in Q3 for reasons that he could not explain at the time. This is not to suggest that circumstances explain all about why Schumacher has not delivered so far this year ? because even he will concede that he is not the same driver he was when he was racking up win after win for Ferrari. Michael Schumacher 2011 Turkish Grand Prix Mercedes Schumacher's not over the hill yet Š LAT Even though he is not in the hunt for victory and is enduring frustrations like Turkey, don't believe for a second that Schumacher is ready to walk from the sport just because from the outside he appeared to have had a nightmare Turkish GP ? and he muttered a great soundbite after the race. For a man who has won seven world titles and 91 grands prix, battling for anything less than victories or podiums is not going to bring him 'big joy.' But that doesn't mean he is not getting his kicks out of F1; it doesn't mean he is not committed to getting Mercedes GP right up there, and it doesn't mean that he is not capable of delivering when things finally do click together. And it only when that happens will we see what 'big joy' really means for the 2011-spec Michael Schumacher. He is not finished yet. AUTOSPORT PLUS PREMIUM CONTENT http://plus.autosport.com/premium/feature/...r-not-done-yet/ This post has been edited by f1anatic: May 13 2011, 12:03 AM -------------------- Schumi drive it like you stole it !
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May 14 2011, 06:48 AM
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foarte greu de citit articolul cu pricina, dar ce sa faci, daca asta e singurul, p-asta il postam. dupa mine, sa scrii un articol in care sa-l lauzi pe schumi dupa cursa din turcia e ca si cum ai incerca sa apuci un rahat de partea curata. sint de acord ca o cursa buna nu e neaparat atunci cind termini in motzu podiumului, dar hai sa consideram ca asta e exceptia, si ca de obicei o cursa buna se lasa cu multe puncte. ok? de un an si jumatate nu numai eu, ci toti fanii lui schumacher, asteapta sa-l vada cistigind, asteapta sa-l vada macar pe podium, asteapta sa-l vada macar in fata colegului de echipa... asteapta sa-l vada macar conducind o tura. in loc de asta, ma apuca furia cind il vad ruinind cursele altora cu manevre de neam prost. am pierdut socoteala de cite ori l-am vazut pe favoritul meu actual depasindu-l pe favoritul meu de alta data. si zau ca ma sperii cind vad o masina, in plina depasire, pe linie dreapta, fiind impinsa pe iarba de unu care vrea sa mentina pozitia a paishpea inca vreo juma de tur.
dar hai sa lasam deoparte drama lui schumacher, pentru ca formula 1 merita o impresie mult mai pozitiva in zilele astea. ce mi-a placut cel mai mult in turcia a fost respectul pe care l-am vazut la vettel. a facut masina muci, au stat bietii mecanici si i-au facut-o la loc ca sa aiba cu ce merge la calificari si la cursa. iar prima reactie a lui vettel, si dupa calificari, si dupa cursa, a fost sa le spuna multumesc. trebuie sa merg multa vreme inapoi, la montoya si la verstappen, ca sa-mi mai aduc aminte de ceva asemanator. ma bucur ca echipele de ingineri, de vreo doua sezoane incoace, incep sa fie din ce in ce mai publicizate, sa nu mai fie vorba doar de "eroul" care conduce masina. -------------------- allinol IS EVIL!
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May 14 2011, 03:47 PM
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Subaru Anti-Hero Group: Moderator Posts: 5.323 Joined: 13-May 04 From: F 1 World Member No.: 25.368 |
Fiecare judeca si pricepe cit il duce mintea.
-------------------- Schumi drive it like you stole it !
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May 14 2011, 04:23 PM
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specialist Group: Membri Posts: 2.278 Joined: 22-February 07 From: in traffic Member No.: 100.009 |
zdau perfecta dreptate. macar tu ai postat judecata altuia.
-------------------- allinol IS EVIL!
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May 15 2011, 09:37 AM
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specialist Group: Moderator Posts: 2.254 Joined: 23-September 06 From: EU Member No.: 87.988 |
niciun raspuns corect la intrebarea etapei, petrov fiind cel care a schimbat primul pneurile, insa avem record de puncte la pronostic. felicitari lui pejte, ce a reusit sa adune 76 pct dintr-o lovitura, urmat de azazel, cu 52 pct. in fruntea clasamentului general este Seri, cu un total de 119 pct.
@pejte, sa te gandesti la o intrebare pentru etapa din barcelona. -------------------- |
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May 16 2011, 01:52 PM
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TeDeI-st cocalar Group: Membri Posts: 3.956 Joined: 30-May 05 From: Bucuresti (Romania) Member No.: 48.029 |
cum pot sa vad si eu cursa asta ?
am pierdut-o. -------------------- |
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May 16 2011, 02:18 PM
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specialist Group: Moderator Posts: 2.254 Joined: 23-September 06 From: EU Member No.: 87.988 |
descarc-o de aici: http://www.demonoid.me/files/details/2628123/002039310171/
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