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post Oct 20 2006, 04:32 AM
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On Thu, 19 Oct 2006 f1anatic wrote:

> Hello there,

Hi there.

> I have a 2005 Subaru Legacy GT and after 23,000 miles one of my OEM low
> beam headlights just burnt out.

Yep. H7 is an inherently short-lived bulb, and Subaru rather unwisely chose to use the low beams as daytime running lamps, which further shortens the already short life of an H7. There are much better ways of implementing DRLs. If you wish to correct this error on Subaru's part (one of the only errors they made; those are well built and very capable cars),
it is neither difficult nor expensive to do -- just let me know; I carry the parts.

> I would like to replace them with something better. For me, if it > doesn't improve performance, it will not go on the car. I have read a bit about bulbs and I am a bit partial to the OSRAM (not Sylvania) Silverstars.

That is a Plus+50 bulb, equivalent to Philips VisionPlus, Narva
Rangepower+50 and Tungsram Megalicht+50. It'll improve beam performance slightly but at a cost of greatly reduced bulb life. You'd be much happier with Osram's Rallye+65 H7, which works beautifully in the well-designed lampset on your Subaru.

Standard H7: 55w, 1400 lumens, 500 hours
H7 ultra "Plus+50": 55w, 1550 lumens, 225 hours, $17.50/ea
H7 rallye+65: 65w, 2100 lumens, 500 hours, $26.40/ea <--Obvious choice!

The extra 10w is of no consequence as far as electrical power or heat. (those 80w to 100w bulbs are a different story!)

Can also materially improve the high beams with the 9011 bulbs in place of your present 9005s.

The new bulbs are not some tinted or overwattage version of 9005, but rather employ a relatively new technology called HIR, Halogen Infrared. The mechanical dimensions of the bulb are all virtually identical to the 9005, but the bulb glass is spherical instead of tubular, with the sphere centered around the filament. There is a "Durable IR Reflective" coating
on the spherical glass. Infrared = heat, so the coating causes heat to be reflected back to the filament at the center of the sphere. This causes the filament to become much hotter (producing more light) than it can by passing electricity through it, *without* the shorter life or greater heat production that comes with overwattage bulbs (to say nothing of overwattage bulbs' incompatibility with stock wiring.)

Here's the comparison:

stock: 9005, 12.8V, 65W, 1700 lumens, 320 hours
new: HIR1, 12.8V, 65W, 2530 lumens, 320 hours

These bulbs are spendy - $27/ea - but their cost is worth considering in context: Any number of companies will charge you more than this for a tarted-up 9005 with blue colored glass (PIAA and Sylvania Silverstar come to mind) that doesn't produce more light and has a very short lifespan.

The HIR bulbs have a double-wide top ear on the plastic bulb base, this is to comply with the law requiring different bulbs to have different bases. The extra-wide plastic top ear is easily trimmed or filed to make the bulb fit your headlamp's bulb receptacle. Once that's done, they go directly into the headlamp, and the existing sockets snap on.

> I do a considerable amount of night driving and bad weather visibility > is something I emphasize.

Put H3 Gold bulbs ($13.50/ea) in the fog lamps.

> Bulbs are a pain to replace in my GT so i would like something that will burn out in another 20,000 miles.

You're kind of doomed to short low beam life unless you rework those low-beam DRLs, either deactivating them entirely or moving the DRL function to the front turn signals (as is done on most current cadillacs, a couple of Lincolns, many Toyotas and Lexus, etc.). As I say, it's neither difficult nor expensive.

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Sumar si exemplificare rpin Subaru Legacy GT

FAZA MICA
Standard H7: 55w, 1400 lumens, 500 hours
H7 ultra "Plus+50": 55w, 1550 lumens, 225 hours, $17.50/ea
H7 rallye+65: 65w, 2100 lumens, 500 hours, $26.40/ea <--Obvious choice!

FAZA MARE
stock: 9005, 12.8V, 65W, 1700 lumens, 320 hours
new: HIR1, 12.8V, 65W, 2530 lumens, 320 hours

Omul prefera OSRAM. Orice forum auto care se respecta in USA il va cita. Voi cumpara becurile. Oricum precizez ca la becurile stock (Faza Mica si Mare) se putea face plaja fara probleme. Cu astea noi...faci skin cancer sau te prajesti imediat. De retinut - astea nu sint becuri albastrui, cu alte prostii si filtre colorate. Iar costul...indica no-bullshit.


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post Dec 21 2006, 05:21 PM
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Ieri am observat ca mi s-a ars faza scurta pe partea dreapta... Acum problema e... ce sa iau ?
- Philips blue vision ? No way... am avut pe opel, mult marketing dar performante slabute... la un pret enorm. Am auzit ca ar fi mai bune philips nightvision-urile... dar parca nu mai am incredere in philips.
- Un coleg si-a luat bosch de 55W care cica au cu 50% mai multa lumina, eu la magazin nu am vazut nici o diferenta, pe pliant arata bine... dar nu prea inspirau incredere (si mai aveau si un pret maricel, de vre-o 4x pretul becurilor bosch clasice de 55W).


Ce m-ar tenta pe mine ar fi... becuri de 100W devil.gif
Intrebarile mele ar fi:
- Si-a pus cineva ? Se vede mai bine ? (ar trebui... parerea mea)
- Trebuie sa imi modific instalatia ? Sau doar schimb becurile originale de 55 cu unele de 100 ? Nu exista riscul sa sara sigurante sau mai rau sa se topeasca niste cabluri etc... ?
- Sunt la fel de deranjante ca faza lunga pentru ceilalti participanti la trafic ?


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post Dec 22 2006, 03:07 AM
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Alo...tovarasu moderator...Matale ar trebui sa stiti mai bine sa nu deschideti subiecte deja dezbatute...

Ha ha ha Halba te-am prins in aria mea ! Prima data cind unesc (merge) mesaje diferite.

25.99 bucata dar iti spun ca nu e nevoie de HID.
Osram Rally 65W cu adevarat 30% mai puternice). 100 de W poate sa iti arda vreun fir electric , o mufa, cite ceva pe acolo si sa iti topeasca oglinzile (ca sint doar de plastic poleit).


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Scuze colega, deh se intampla si la case mai mari smile.gif ... Ideea care am inteles-o... sa caut becuri de 65W preferabil Osram... sincer nu am vazut in magazinele in care am fost becuri de 65 (erau doar de 55w si de 100w, nimic intermediar).


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QUOTE(HalbaSus)
Ieri am observat ca mi s-a ars faza scurta pe partea dreapta... Acum problema e... ce sa iau ?
- Philips blue vision ? No way... am avut pe opel, mult marketing dar performante slabute... la un pret enorm. Am auzit ca ar fi mai bune philips nightvision-urile... dar parca nu mai am incredere in philips.


Am eu Philips Vision PLus si sunt f multumit. Plus alte doua proiectoare ceata suplimentare de la Hella 55W. Nu folosi becuri mai puternice daca nu montezi un releu si nu ai borna de la baterie de minim 110A si nerezervata complet.


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Halba, dar mesajul initial l-ai citit ? Sau la omul ala pe website ai fost ? Toate becurile astea sint €uropene...asa ca ar trebui sa fie mai usor de tine decit de mine.

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Astea sint echivalente.
Osram Silverstar Plus+50 bulb
Philips VisionPlus +50
Narva Rangepower+50 and
Tungsram Megalicht+50.

It'll improve beam performance slightly but at a cost of greatly reduced bulb life. You'd be much happier with Osram's Rallye+65 H7, which works beautifully in the well-designed lampset on your Subaru.

Standard H7: 55w, 1400 lumens, 500 hours
H7 ultra "Plus+50": 55w, 1550 lumens, 225 hours, $17.50/ea
H7 rallye+65: 65w, 2100 lumens, 500 hours, $26.40/ea <--Obvious choice!


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TOtusi care e argumentul impotriva HID-ului, in afara de pret? Un 35W de 6000K standard are cam 4000 lumeni, adica dublu fata de cel mai tare halogen si nu necesita modificarea instalatiei electrice., ci doar instalarea ridicatorului de tensiune.
E clar insa ca trebuie sa fie reglate impecabil si curate farurile altfel sunt dezastru.... insa asta e valabil si la celelalte.

E o teorie care spune ca ar fi bune farurile cu lupa la xenon (ca la nubira mea:D) insa nu am priceput exact de ce, desi cam banuiesc...


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pe vreme rea (ploaie, ceata, ninsoare) lumina alba/albastruie face particulele de apa sa reflecte lumina ducind la creearea unor efecte luminoase nedorite pe asfalt, scaderea vizibilitatii si orbirea traficului.

In asemenea conditii, o lumina mai galbuie este de dorit. In timp ce intr-adevar, pe vreme uscata, HID sint superioare, nu sint universal agreate. Sint multe Mertzuri scumpe care vina fara HID - si nu ca nu si-ar fi permis posesorul :-) asa ca ma gindesc ca fiecare alege in functie de ochii pe care ii are. O alta observatie: masinile de curse (Dakkar, FIA GT, Le Mans, alte 24hrs) nu folosesc HID ci becuri cu Halogen, eventual galbene. Oare asta nu da de gindit ?


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Am vazut undeva si HID-uri de 4000K. Astea dau o lumina destul de galbuie, desi nu mai au luminozitatea celor de 6000 care se pare ca au un raport lumen/watt imbatabil.

Chinejii astia cica vand hid-uri de 3000K, mai galbele decat halogenele clasice
http://www.tradekey.com/selloffer_view/id/83782.htm

Temperatura solara directa e in jur de 5500ka . Iar a halogenelor clasice pe la 3200K, deci la 4000K mi se par OK.

Aici e un link interesant legat de temperatura
http://casa.colorado.edu/~ajsh/colour/Tspectrum.html
fara legatura cu hid-urile, pentru ca in general siteurile care discuta despre hid-uri fac si reclama mai mult sau mai putin mascata.

Cred ca majoritatea opteaza pentru xenoane de +6000K fie din motive estetice fie de marketing (ii tenteaza lumenii), pentru ca intr-adevar cele altabstre sunt cele mai raspandite. Pe mine m-ar tenta insa unele pe la 4000k....


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Intrebare: se poate monta xenon pe orice masina? Cam care ar fi preturile? :wave:


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Raspunsul este DA. Preturile variaza intre ~200eur si ~450eur


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Un kit kenon aftermarket costa mult mai putin decat optiunea xenon la masina noua (cum spunea Andrei, de pe la 200 in sus). Insa nu cuprinde decat ridicatorul de tensiune si becurile, fata de cea pusa de fabricant care (teoretic) inseamna si reglaj automat al farurilor pe inaltime si spalator de faruri.
Sincer sa fiu eu m-as baga.... farurile bune mi se par o chestie mult mai interesanta decat multe "dotari" si "optiuni".


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Eu urmeaza sa imi montez instalatia xenon.Sper sa mearga.Trebuie sa rezolv cateva probleme. Se pare ca japonezii astia sunt cu curu in sus...fac lucrurile pe dos.


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QUOTE(Andrei Suzuki)
Eu urmeaza sa imi montez instalatia xenon.Sper sa mearga.Trebuie sa rezolv cateva probleme. Se pare ca japonezii astia sunt cu curu in sus...fac lucrurile pe dos.

Sa ne spui si noua impresii dupa...! blush.gif


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