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post Jun 6 2009, 10:57 AM
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QUOTE (OvidiuH @ Jul 24 2008, 12:18 PM) *
O "tendinta" exista sigur. biggrin.gif
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Ileana TDI smile.gif asta este un fel de masina de cusut, nu?


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post Jun 30 2012, 06:31 PM
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http://www.masini.ro/stiri/noutati-auto/bm...ompanii/18835/

TL;DR:

Deci pe scurt BMW (the ultimate freakin driving machine) a semnat o conventine de colaborare cu Toyota (the ultimate freakin boring machine (cu tot respectul pt toyota))... Se duce lumea pe apa sambetei... apocalipsa e mai aproape decat au prevazut maiasii...

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post Jun 30 2012, 07:49 PM
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Am corectat linkul

Hai ca nu e asa rau. Cele două companii au semnat un memorandum care urmărește dezvoltarea unei colaborări strategice pe termen lung pe patru direcții:

- dezvoltarea comună a sistemului de propulsie cu hidrogen cu pilă de combustie -- pentru ca bateriile n-au nici un viitor
- dezvoltarea comună a unei arhitecturi și componente pentru un viitor automobil sport -- cat timp e RWD, foarte frumos din partea lor
- colaborare în domeniul propulsiei electrice -- sport, vezi punctul de mai sus
- cercetare comună în dezvoltarea de tehnologii ultraușoare -- sport, vezi punctul de mai sus

BMW in 3/4 cilindri cu FWD e lipsit de orice valoare. BMW cu hidrogen, electric, RWD, ultrausor e o idee foarte buna thumbsup.gif


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post Jun 30 2012, 08:31 PM
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Pah electric merje probabil si un awd hazliu, eventual cu "buton sport" care sa-l faca rwd biggrin.gif


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post Jun 30 2012, 09:42 PM
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In mileniul eficientei, AWD e o solutie doar daca pui cate un rotor la fiecare planetara, cu observatia ca incurci destul de serios arhitectura suspensiei.


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post Jul 1 2012, 09:50 AM
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QUOTE
a semnat o conventine de colaborare cu Toyota (the ultimate freakin boring machine (cu tot respectul pt toyota))...


Not anymore... Toyota cu Subaru au scos o masina care cica e tzitza de mitza: Scion FSR/Subaru BRZ. RWD, 200CP, pret ok.
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post Jul 1 2012, 03:26 PM
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iar BMW va scoate o masina cu 3 cilindrii si tractiune fata. Asta nu inseamna ca stereotipurile asociate bmw si toyota vor disparea imediat pt ca fiecare scoate un model care nu ii este specific... In plus nu cred ca grosul vanzarilor toyota vor fi RWD-urile de 200 cp.. ci masini de familie, fwd, cu handling mediocru, si raport pret-calitate atractiv... si 5 ani garnatie sau ceva de genu.


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QUOTE (Diesel @ Jun 30 2012, 09:42 PM) *
In mileniul eficientei, AWD e o solutie doar daca pui cate un rotor la fiecare planetara, cu observatia ca incurci destul de serios arhitectura suspensiei.

"In mileniul eficientei" unii au renuntat la planetare:



PS - si nu cred ca au avut deloc probleme la "arhitectura suspensiei" wink.gif

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post Jul 1 2012, 06:23 PM
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Exact la scenariul asta m-am gandit.
Motoarele electrice puse acolo aduc mari probleme de stabilitate pentru ca maresc foarte mult "unsprung mass".


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QUOTE (Diesel @ Jul 1 2012, 07:23 PM) *
"unsprung mass".

... 31 kg / motor ... plus cit o mai avea roata ... nu-i putin ... da' banuiesc ca au rezolvat ei cumva problema asta. Da' nici aia 800 Nm / motor parca nu-s de aruncat wink.gif
N-am experienta practica cu masinile astea electrice ... doar vreo 10 km cu un Mitsubishi i-MiEV ... da' asta are altfel de "arhitectura" ...
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post Jul 1 2012, 08:36 PM
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Nu prea au cum sa rezolve problema aia cu masa ne-suspendata sau cum s-o mai chema. doar daca ar lega motorul cumva direct de sasiu "dincolo" de arc/amortizor
800Nm, chiar si x2 daca-s doua motoare la roata nu e asa impresionant, si un motor de 1.2 ii pune in prima treapta...

Insa ar putea face o masina cu tractiune integrala interesanta smile.gif


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QUOTE (James Kilowatt @ Jul 1 2012, 09:36 PM) *
800Nm, chiar si x2 daca-s doua motoare la roata nu e asa impresionant, si un motor de 1.2 ii pune in prima treapta...

La ce "motor de 1.2" care sa aiba 800 Nm te referi ?
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N-am spus ca "are 800Nm" ci am spus "il pune la roata in prima treapta", si pune la roata chiar mai mult decat 2x800Nm.
1.2TSI are 175Nm, iar la prima treapta raportul total de demultiplicare e 13.8. La roata pune deci aproape 2500Nm. Chiar si cu tot cu pierderi e binisor peste 2x800Nm.
Daca motorul ala electric e pus direct pe roata (fara vreun angrenaj care sa demultiplice turatia), cat are la flansa atat are si la roata.

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